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1. astran+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-01-14 01:44:25
> The left isn’t talking about “wokeness”.

They are (or were throughout the 2010s), but they have a way of talking about it where they do it, but then claim it doesn't exist if anyone tries to give a name to it. So "wokeness isn't real" is a popular way to say "wokeness is real and I think it's good". Sometimes this is called Voldemorting.

I personally think it's good but also think it's real.

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2. antifa+UR[view] [source] 2025-01-14 10:35:43
>>astran+(OP)
We just call it not bring racist. We also used phrases like stay woke long before 2010 and conservative whining.
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3. corima+771[view] [source] 2025-01-14 13:07:32
>>astran+(OP)
It's called the Motte and Bailey fallacy
4. Izkata+WU1[view] [source] 2025-01-14 16:46:22
>>astran+(OP)
> They are (or were throughout the 2010s)

More thoroughly:

* The online left was using terms like "social justice warrior" to describe themselves in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Some of them even used alternate terms to try and fit their kind of activism closer, one I remember being "social justice paladin".

* The first big round of backlash turned SJW into an insult in the mid 2010s, so they rebranded themselves as "woke".

* As the backlash grew, "woke" was also turned into an insult.

* DEI was the most recent rebranding, but since that describes actions instead of the people doing the actions there wasn't really a way to turn it directly into an insult, and "progressive" isn't zing-y enough to catch on, so "woke" stuck.

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5. zahlma+513[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 21:19:04
>>antifa+UR
>We just call it not bring racist.

No, you do not. I know this because when I advocate for actually not being racist, members of your group call me racist for it.

I am the one who seeks policies that do not take a person's race into consideration when making decisions where race is clearly a priori irrelevant. That is what it means not to be racist.

Your group is the one that insists that doing so is necessary to achieve a moral outcome.

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6. kristo+cf4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-15 08:39:15
>>Izkata+WU1
Nah, those were always right wing smears used to bully people. There's no rebranding. Bullying through online trolling goes through meme fads.
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