>>hilux+l1
> Apparently it's true!??

1.) "Saturday, 28 Dec 2024 00:33 FIDE statement regarding Magnus Carlsen’s dress code breach" https://www.fide.com/news/3363

2.) "Chess: Carlsen disqualified in New York after refusing to change out of jeans The world No 1 was defaulted from the World Rapid Championship and has also chosen to withdraw from the World Blitz saying ‘it became a matter of principle’"

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/dec/27/chess-carlsen-...

>>throwu+(OP)
The submitted article does not mention that Carlsen has a feud[1] with FIDE over Freestyle Chess.

Reportedly he was not sure he'd even bother to show up to this event[2].

[1]: https://www.chess.com/blog/Eternal-Pawn/chess-at-the-crossro...

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErKi4NcLlOc

>>throwu+(OP)
The dress code calls for "smart business attire."

The title sponsor is Google, a well-known tech company.

Here's Google CEO Sundar Pichai in GQ: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/sundar-picha...

>>throwu+(OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTD_R8Scbk

he chose to withdraw. he's not happy with fide anyway.

>>throwu+(OP)
He won't let the man get him down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZUshzhMtc

>>hilux+c5
And here he is arriving at an event with a dress code.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/05/04/multimedia/04even...

Another event, another dress code.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfQwah...

Edit: removed extraneous arguments. Point here is that Pichai observes event-specific dress codes rather than assuming that Google’s code applies.

>>throwu+(OP)
Amusing response from Carlsen:

https://x.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1872819038554148882

FYI 'OOTD' == 'outfit of the day'

>>robotr+H9
To counter, the dress code was vague and imprecise. See my other comment here- >>42528218

EDIT: Actually, the poster above was not accurate. The dress code is found here- https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...

And it was much more precise than "smart business attire.".

>>kevinv+Z8
I’m sure there are some Type 1’s present: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SorkIX_ABCo (LocalScriptMan - Writing with the Enneagram: Type 1)

>>bmacho+hL
This appears to be a weekly chess column in the newspaper, and they all seem to have a chess puzzle in them[1]. I suspect in the paper it would be at the end of the column, with the answer on another page. It's perhaps a bit of an inelegant way to present it on the web version, but that's probably some sort of tradeoff with how the Guardian's website works, and if it's worth adding some sort of special case presentation for the chess column, which probably isn't exactly the most read bit of the site.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/sport/series/leonard-barden-ches...

>>throwu+(OP)
Reminds me of Ronnie O'Sullivan offending the snooker association by taking off shoes https://www.espn.co.uk/snooker/story/_/id/12736342/ronnie-os... I hope silly enforcement like that dies out.

>>throwu+(OP)
There was similar drama exactly a year ago recently about a woman chess player wearing "sport shoes": https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/asia/chess-fine-sho...

>>david-+BL
Chances are there also is a commercial angle to it. Magnus has commercial interests in https://playmagnusgroup.com/, which is somewhat at competition with the FIDE.

>>throwu+(OP)
You can listen to Magnus's own account, including his acknowledgment of his lower-than-expected performance and tensions with FIDE:

Magnus Carlsen Got KICKED OUT Of World Championship (5 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTD_R8Scbk

>>dist-e+IT
> Where do you draw the line though. Is dressing in a swim suit allowable?

Textbook slippery slope fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

>>dist-e+BQ
For God's sake, no pictures of the shoes in that article, just a link to a long ass video where she allegedly holds them up. Im not watching a 20 minute video to see shoes.

At least the Daily Fail has pictures - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12908497/Chess-kaza...

>>kevinv+Z8
The title of the dress code PDF is helpful—-something like “proposal of Ms B Marinello”.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200925160442id_/https://www.fi...

But I wonder if another player complained to the administrators.

>>sapiog+AO
>This rule is new, by the way.

You can't call a rule new, which is nagging them for nearly a decade now:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/dress-code-incident-at-world...

>>virapt+QP
Or similarly, how he was accused of 'bringing the game of snooker into disrepute' by taking a shot with his left hand (and then playing three perfect games left-handed) http://en.espn.co.uk/snooker/sport/player/1241.html

>>DrewAD+j51
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/ws/800/cpsprodpb/db4b/live/61d6...

His outfit is sharp as hell Fwiw

>>qq66+gx1
This doesn't hold up to a cursory analysis of Carlsen's rating. You can see Carlsen's historical ELO score on FIDE's website and look at it year over year and the difference between Carlsen and the #2, #3, #4, etc... is pretty consistent and very impressive. Usually the difference between a player ranked N and a player ranked N + 1 is about 5-10 ELO points, but Carlsen's is consistently 30+ including at this moment.

https://ratings.fide.com/top_lists.phtml

>>deskr+bL
Certainly not the King!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2DaDziImgY

>>elif+nL1
The rules say no such thing, and seem pretty clear to me.

    4.10.1. The dress code is strictly observed for the
    tournament and all the official events and press
    conferences.

    4.10.1.1. Dress code for men.

      Shoes: Oxfords, loafers, leather shoes or boots, classic
    suite shoes.

      Dark-coloured pants: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in
    any case unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Long-sleeved light-coloured (white, light blue, beige,
    brown, etc.), blue or black shirt, in any case
    unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Dark-coloured jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with
    buttons: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case
    unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Jacket, waistcoat or cardigan may be taken off during
    play.

    Tie is not mandatory.

    [...]

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.

    [...]

    4.10.9. If a player fails to fulfil his/her duties listed
    in Articles 4.10.1, 4.10.4 – 4.10.8, he/she can be
    penalised by FIDE Council as follows: 5% of his/her prize
    money shall be forfeited to the Organiser and a further 5%
    to FIDE for each breach. In cases of serious misconduct,
    the player may be disqualified from the event.

Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...

>>Someon+jS
If I understand correctly Play Magnus Group was acquired by chess.com in 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Magnus_Group

>>david-+rQ1
I thought it was clear from the context and phrasing that "dark-coloured pants" excluded jeans, but in case there was any doubt:

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.

Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...

>>notfed+E81
It doesn't really matter, regardless of whether or not we agree with the rules, jeans are clearly prohibited in the tournament:

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.

Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...

>>773412+KJ1
> bunad

Traditional Norwegian dress for women and men.

https://thespurtrail.com/the-bunad-norways-traditional-folk-...

>>concep+A12
> It is important to promote a good and positive image of chess. Attire worn during all phases of the championships and events should be in good taste and appropriate to such a prestigious chess event.

That’s the “objective” according to https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/Proposal_....

>>mvdtnz+BA2
Austin Powers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0OhiPwBff0

>>throwu+(OP)
The FIDE dress code [1] appears to only forbid torn jeans, but otherwise explicitly allows them:

> The following is acceptable for men players, captains, head of delegation. Suits, ties, dressy pants, trousers, *jeans*.

And then later:

> The following is NOT acceptable for men players, captains, head of delegation. Beach-wear slips, profanity and nude or semi-nude pictures printed on shirts, torn pants or jeans.

Magnus did not wear torn jeans [2], I can’t see any justification for this enforcement choice.

Don’t even get me started on the sex differences in these rules.

[1]: https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2013/FIDE/Proposal_... [2]: https://x.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1872819038554148882

>>oreill+qN1
FIDE did run a tournament in the variant as recently as 2019[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_World_Fischer_Random_Ches...

>>throw9+zL
Considering last year at the same event a female player was fined for wearing the wrong shoes I have to disagree with your claim.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-29/chess-player-fined-ov...

>>throwu+(OP)
Some context. The dress code and rules for enforcement are created by the players' representatives commission in FIDE, consisting of active and former competitive players [1] [2].

In a presentation shared with the players about the dress code before the event, jeans are listed on a slide titled "What's NOT allowed?" with "Not Approved" stamped in big red letters over a picture of jeans [3]. FIDE CEO says jeans have been banned in this event since 2018, and that players were asked for feedback on the dress code before the event, and none complained [4].

The same dress code presentation shared with players also has instructions for the Chief Arbiter:

  The dress code is strictly enforced to maintain a consistent level of professionalism and respect for the event. The Chief Arbiter, in consultation with the FIDE Athletes Commission, will ensure that the dress code is upheld.
  
  First Infringement
  A financial penalty of 200 € for open events and 100 € for women's events. The player is allowed to play the current round.
  Further Infringements
  Exclusion from the pairings for the next round. Each round counts as one infringement.

Other top players were also asked to change their attire when found in violation. The hotel is a few minutes away [5]. Magnus Carlsen was notified of his violation after his second game on day 2 (round 7) and asked to change into approved attire before the third round of the day (round 8), played half an hour later [6]. Since he declined, he was excluded from playing in the last round of the day (round 9). This counts as a forfeit, and combined with Magnus' score until that point would make a podium finish unlikely, although he would still have been allowed to play in subsequent rounds [7].

In an interview, Magnus stated he was not having the best tournament, explained he had already lost his patience with FIDE due to an ongoing feud over the freestyle chess championship, and stated he declined to change into approved attire as a matter of principle and would withdraw from the rapid tournament and also the upcoming fide blitz tournament, apologizing to fans at home [8].

[1] https://doc.fide.com/docs/90%20Congress%20Agenda%20and%20Ann...

[2] https://www.fide.com/directory/commissions (GM Ahmed Adly, GM Eugenio Torre, IM Dinara Saduakassova, WIM Jesse Nikki February, GM Irina Krush, GM Wei Yi, IM Alina Kashlinskaya, IM Oluwafemi Daniel Balogun, IM Noaman Omar, GM Ioan-Cristian Chirila, IM Irine Kharisma Sukandar, GM Ivan Cheparinov, GM Evgeny Tomashevsky, WGM Aleksandra Dimitrijevic)

[3] https://doc.fide.com/docs/2024_WRBC/wrbc2024_dress_code.pdf

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWi5CIKhuSs [ Magnus Carlsen Jeans Scandal | Full Story ] from 15m00s

[5] https://www.fide.com/news/3363

[6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrK88j-fyaw [ FIDE World Rapid Championship 2024 | Rds 6-9 ], Magnus' round 7 game finishes around 2h24m30s, round 8 2h59m50s

[7] https://www.facebook.com/chess/videos/-magnus-carlsen-is-unp...

[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWi5CIKhuSs [ Magnus Carlsen Jeans Scandal | Full Story ] from 3m28s

>>throwu+(OP)
We belatedly changed the title and URL to what appears to be a more accurate report.

(Submitted URL was https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/magnus-carlsen-disqualif....)

>>_Alger+QV2
Thanks for catching that! I found a 2024 document [1] that indeed appears to explicitly forbid jeans.

[1]: https://doc.fide.com/docs/2024_WRBC/wrbc2024_dress_code.pdf

>>epgui+zO1
>The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences.

Meanwhile Arkady Dvorkovich, President of FIDE : https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvork...

Dvorkovich is putins puppet, covering for Medvedev when putin was pretending to take a break.