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1. beguer+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-12-22 17:21:26
This is against any established biological common sense I heard of: telomeres are known to be the mechanics of the DNA.

The enemy of these telomeres is age: damage occurs to them during cell division, hence the part of the DNA which watches after the DNA is no longer to fulfill its duty: and that is an open door to all types of cancer.

In other words, if nothing kills you at old age, cancer will do it.

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2. jacobl+61[view] [source] 2024-12-22 17:32:22
>>beguer+(OP)
That's not entirely accurate. Telomeres shorten with age but cancers generally are triggered by mutations or defects much further in the DNA away from the telomeres.

So one hypothesis is that telomeres shrink with age which causes runaway growth (i.e. cancer) to burn up all it's telomeres early and start crunching through sequences responsible for building proteins essential to life, therefore causing some of the cancer cells to die out. Whether that hypothesis holds is a different matter but the referenced paper points towards various other mechanisms which are seemingly caused by cell age as well.

3. yieldc+x1[view] [source] 2024-12-22 17:36:01
>>beguer+(OP)
Well thats why I read the article instead of just the headline.

tl;dr low iron causes less cell cycle activity. which means less errors including deregulation which is what cancer is.

its not that ground breaking.

but the iron contribution is. its actually a bit clickbait because they focus more on increasing iron in old people to prompt better recovery of everything else.

4. cgh+I1[view] [source] 2024-12-22 17:37:54
>>beguer+(OP)
When you read the article, did this argument occur to you in light of what they found with NUPR1?
5. thauma+g2[view] [source] 2024-12-22 17:43:32
>>beguer+(OP)
> telomeres are known to be the mechanics of the DNA.

> The enemy of these telomeres is age: damage occurs to them during cell division, hence the part of the DNA which watches after the DNA is no longer to fulfill its duty: and that is an open door to all types of cancer.

This sounds a little off. Telomeres aren't known to be the mechanics of anything. They fulfill their role by existing.

Imagine if, whenever you copied a file, the copy was missing the first and last 40 bytes of the original. (And, for completeness, those 80 bytes are also removed from the original.) That's how DNA copying works - a little bit of the beginning of the strand, and a little bit of the end, aren't copied and don't exist in the new copies.

Telomeres address this problem by existing in large numbers at the beginning and end of DNA strands (telos being Greek for "end"), providing padding that can be omitted from copies without hurting the organism. The creation of gametes involves refilling the worn-out telomeres of the parent organism so that the infant who eventually develops will have a full complement. But you don't do the same thing for your own cells, so eventually your cells try to divide, eat into their own DNA, and die.

Because cancer cells divide quickly, this mechanism will quickly kill them. So cancers also need to be able to refill their own telomeres. That's one of the mutations necessary for a cancer to originate.

But you'll note that a loss of function in the telomeres doesn't leave the door open for cancer. For cancer, you need to restore the telomeres.

6. HPsqua+Lc[view] [source] 2024-12-22 19:39:43
>>beguer+(OP)
Telomeres are anti-cancer. Cells can only divide a limited number of times before the telomeres run out. The cost is a loss of vitality (senescence) as the individual cells end up being older since they aren't able to divide and renew.
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