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1. advent+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-27 16:13:58
It is a freedom issue. It's exactly that.

Why insist on broadening the premise with "regular people like us" and "we the people". If your message is potent you wouldn't need to try to speak for a crowd.

I don't need protection from those supposed forces. In a functioning market economy - which essentially all developed nations possess - I can easily control what food I consume and I can easily control whether I gamble or not. That was true for the years when I was poor as an adult and it was true for my parents who were lower middle class / poor while I was growing up.

I don't personally like prostitution, and it should absolutely be legal.

I don't personally like cocaine or marijuana, and they both should be legal.

I don't personally like late-term abortion, and late-term abortion should absolutely be legal.

I find it disgusting when people glug glug glug 72 gallons of soda while they sit there 250 pounds overweight. It's grotesque. And they should absolutely be allowed to do it. It is a freedom issue.

It's either their body or it isn't. The same goes for abortion as it does what food you get to consume and whether you get to sleep with prostitutes, snort cocaine or gamble (with your brain/body and the money from your labor).

Who does your body belong to?

The moment you start dictating that the state owns your body and what you can do with it, you have started down the path of authoritarianism (whether fascism or other). You'd have to have an extreme authoritarian society, to follow your premise to its logical conclusion in terms of what it implies about the culture and the restraints to be imposed.

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2. biorac+G5[view] [source] 2024-09-27 16:43:37
>>advent+(OP)
> The moment you start dictating that the state owns your body and what you can do with it,

No one said that, and it's a very extreme interpretation of the comment you're replying to

> you have started down the path of authoritarianism

That's an example of the fallacy of infinite progression - that a societal trend will continue forever once started

In a complex system like a society, it's perfectly possible for a trend for e.g. regulation of the personal sphere to give rise to countervailing forces that end up in a steady state

There are plenty of societies e.g. the Nordic states, that have much higher regulation than the USA, yet have remained stable for decades and show no sign of descending into authoritarianism

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