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1. tdb789+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-27 13:47:25
Yeah, the issue with "it's their choice" is that through addictive behaviors they are trying to take away that sort of agency from people. I don't have an issue with gambling in general but I have a huge issue with people trying to trigger and profit from addicting behaviors. It's a phenomenally cruel thing to do to people.
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2. tootie+D1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 13:54:18
>>tdb789+(OP)
It's very analogous to drug use. The libertarian point of view that people should be free to do what they want with their own bodies makes sense at first blush. But addiction is such an absolute blight on society that ending it will only improve the world.
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3. dcow+o6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:18:10
>>tootie+D1
Yeah. I think there must be a balance between let the cyber hippies watch trees grow and needle service for addicts. I don’t even think legalizing weed is aging well.
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4. tastyf+E7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:23:53
>>tootie+D1
Drug abuse is lower where people have a strong sense of community. Drug overuse is a symptom of a larger issue of disconnection and disillusionment. Legislating drug use is like saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves."
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5. card_z+59[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:30:45
>>dcow+o6
Wait, which of those is libertarians?
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6. snapca+aa[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:37:05
>>tastyf+E7
No it isn't, it's very straightforward in every single civilization that has experienced it. humans + opiates = misery. it's not like we're some kind of paragons of logic and rationality we're animals and these are exploits
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7. achena+ga[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:37:45
>>tootie+D1
when you punish drug use with prison, it is better for it to be legal.
8. anthon+9p[view] [source] 2024-09-27 15:46:38
>>tdb789+(OP)
everything worth doing in life is addicting. you cant just ban/regulate dopamine producing activities
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9. tomthe+it[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 16:03:34
>>anthon+9p
Of course, but I think it's worth seriously evaluating the subset of those activities that have an especially large propensity for harm.
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10. midigu+aS[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 18:04:52
>>anthon+9p
Most dopamine producing activities are in some way beneficial in moderation to outweigh the negatives (sex, eating, exercise, even many recreational drugs). I don't know whether pointlessly bleeding money away to some greasy corporation counts there. That said I don't like telling people how they should waste their money but it seems there needs to be some form of a plan for problem gambling.
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11. tastyf+kT[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 18:10:38
>>snapca+aa
I wouldn't use opiates as an example of causing misery. The opium poppy, for thousands of years, was a miracle plant to every society that knew of it. It allows anybody to have access to pain relief. Yes it can be misused. However, ALL opiates are still derived from the opium poppy. The ability for personal or commercial production of opium was removed from everybody by the US influenced UN policy. The UN now declares that three countries in the world are allowed to grow opium poppies to produce opium. That legal opium supposedly is used to create all of the worlds needed supply of pharmaceutical opiates. Every other country that grows Papaver Somniferum and processes it to opium is a target for military action to reduce the supply of illegal opiates. You see, the recent history of opium is a bit like an opium dream itself. A small number of people decided opium is evil and who gets to produce opiates and if you aren't on the list you are their enemy. This policy has done nothing to stop "illegal" production and use of opiates and has made a small number of people unimaginably wealthy while also creating the environment for "illegal" cartels, AKA competition, to flourish. Bayer first sold heroin as a less addictive morphine after all. In the name of enforcing the "allowed producers" list an innumerable amount of people trying to make a living by producing opium were killed. If it looks like a cartel and behaves like a cartel it might be a cartel.

I don't even want to go into the proven CIA and FBI complicity in drug trafficking in the name of stopping "illegal" opiates or all the people in jail for using "illegal" opiates.

Sure, opiates cause suffering. Its just mostly at the hands of a supranational cartel that we are part of. We aren't even allowed to grow the same plant in the US for seeds that many nations eat as a staple food. However, the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to grow or buy opium from India, Turkey, and Australia and sell millions of derivative opiate pills around the world. But, me being able to grow a handful of plants to produce my own pain medicine or domestic commercial production is the height of evil.

If we were all allowed to produce opium personally or commercially we would effectively end the reasons for illegal opiate importers to exist, create jobs for our own people, and remove an immense amount of power from the UN and pharmaceutical companies. We would also remove the need for military adventurism in places like Afghanistan and Myanmar. As an aside, opium production in Afghanistan increased from 82,000ha to 233,000ha during US occupation, which I choose to believe was, mostly because we didn't care and the Taliban had been destroying opium crops.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bu...

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12. Flying+FD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 00:01:06
>>tootie+D1
I mean, I understand your sentiment on addiction but in the US, we have not been terribly successful in ending addiction despite most drugs being illegal for decades. In places like Portugal, legalization with an emphasis on treatment has not really been more successful either.
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