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1. wavemo+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-27 04:17:54
Playing tennis is a vice?
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2. ravens+tP1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 17:23:25
>>wavemo+(OP)
Tennis can certainly be viewed that way.

It's done recreationally, costs money, costs time, can cause injuries and joint problems, and is not productive. There are health benefits, but nothing that can't be had by much safer and less costly means of exercise.

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3. wavemo+562[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 18:53:49
>>ravens+tP1
Well, anything "can be viewed" in any way. That doesn't mean the view is correct or commonly used or accepted.

So criticizing the concept of vice on the grounds that "everything that's fun is a vice" is somewhat of a semantic strawman - you're criticizing the word by changing its meaning.

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4. ravens+Mn2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 20:45:40
>>wavemo+562
No it isn't. It's an opinion as to whether something is a vice. There is no theoretical model of what makes a vice; no piece of kit to measure the viceness of something. There is no morality particle to reference. It's also an opinion whether a vice is actually something negative or just a necessary aspect of the human experience.
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