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1. lupusr+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-26 16:16:35
Tobacco bans are the way of the future, with existing smokers grandfathered out of the ban to minimize political opposition. If you're born after X date then it will never be legal for you to but it.

Opposition to bans is sort of a libertarian dogma, they say bans never work and only make the problem worse or introduce new problems, and usually cite alcohol prohibition in America. But a lot of bans do work, and even that one apparently succeeded in reducing alcohol consumption even if it did empower organized crime. What's more, it's pretty easy to ferment alcohol in your basement but it's a lot harder to hide fields of tobacco. Political dogma never captures the nuance of reality.

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2. paleot+b1[view] [source] 2024-09-26 16:23:00
>>lupusr+(OP)
You seem to have the assumption that libertarian opposition to bans is based on the practicality of such and not the principle of allowing adults to make their own choices
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3. golerg+8w1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 03:36:26
>>lupusr+(OP)
> they say bans never work and only make the problem worse or introduce new problems

No, that's not what we say. The primary argument for it is because we do not subscribe to a utilitarian morality. If we know that some decision leads to better outcomes from the POV of general quality of life and the like, we still wouldn't support it if it trampled individual freedoms, because we consider the latter to be more important.

It's not a difference of opinion over whether a certain theorem proves true or false. It's a matter of different set of axioms altogether.

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4. inquis+Sw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 03:48:04
>>paleot+b1
It never ceases to amaze me how much people love to tell other people what to do even when it has absolutely nothing to do with them.

I think sports gambling is stupid and has largely ruined sports for me. Most people I know though seem to really love it, gamble completely responsibly and seem to enjoy sports they did not enjoy previously.

Unfortunately, there is no story to click on without some kind of moral outrage or "mistake" that the "smart" people need to correct. Especially appealing if it can bent into some kind of political bullshit narrative .

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