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1. bad_us+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-13 08:43:39
I would like to see a future where people shouldn't have to prostitute themselves to make ends meet.

Some cultural norms are outdated, but prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women; who may not be doing so willingly, prostitution being the main incentive for human trafficking. And the online medium doesn't change that by much.

Some people may be willing to pay for sex, some people are willing to pay for many other things or activities that should be or are illegal.

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2. Freak_+42[view] [source] 2024-09-13 09:02:04
>>bad_us+(OP)
Sex work will never go away. The only way forward is to make sure it can be done safely and legally.

Consider the sex workers who deal with mentally or physically disabled adults. Most people have sexual urges, and those who are unable to participate in society in the usual way of addressing their urges with a romantic partner or a one-night stand still have them. There are a good number of very professional sex workers out there who can provide these people with sex (often with specific expertise for the relevant handicaps) and generally significantly improve the wellbeing.

Are those sex workers doing something they shouldn't be doing?

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3. mgauna+n3[view] [source] 2024-09-13 09:20:02
>>bad_us+(OP)
It's not "to make ends meet". OF work allows people with no skills to get income in line with the top 10th or even 1st percentile of the population.

Would you rather be flipping burgers all day for 30k or would you rather take a few nudes every week and make 300k?

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4. achene+N4[view] [source] 2024-09-13 09:35:18
>>bad_us+(OP)
> prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women;

degrading: no. I've met prostitutes who very much like their work and find it empowering

dangerous: ...yes, because it's illegal and they don't have access to proper legal protection.

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5. medo-b+o6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 09:58:46
>>Freak_+42
> Are those sex workers doing something they shouldn't be doing?

You are asking a binary question for which there isn't a binary answer. Better to ask are those sex workers doing something they will get a pat on their backs for from other members of society? In a way a builder, chef, firefighter, and even a prison guard would.

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6. huuhee+E6[view] [source] 2024-09-13 10:02:10
>>bad_us+(OP)
I would like to see a future where people shouldn't have to do any work they don't enjoy to make ends meet. As far as I can see, working fast food (and many other badly paid service jobs) is not much different from prostitution, except in that there is no social stigma attached, and you earn much less.
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7. beagle+o7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 10:09:10
>>mgauna+n3
I wouldn't be surprised to find out an absurd fraction of those 300k is just straight up money laundering. Who is actually gonna be able to verify the value of someone allegedly showing their tits to a whale at 3am? The fact this all passed through traditional financial networks with a clean and reportable earnings report at the end is just pure gold.

OF is like the wet dream of a drug dealer or whoever else with a baby momma and some kind of scam/fraud/counterfeit operation.

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8. djtang+M8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 10:25:09
>>beagle+o7
I agree with what you say but we know enough about youtubers and mobile gaming to safely assume that the numbers in this space are wild. I remember on Pewdiepie's first ever charity YouTube stream he was printing thousands per second via donos
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9. toyg+Ma[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 10:50:56
>>djtang+M8
Who would have thought that all those big numbers in TV deals were actually underestimated by the billions. The general public is even more desperate/gullible than we ever considered possible. And OF and YT are just the beginning.
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10. TeMPOr+xb[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 10:57:56
>>djtang+M8
But you can't compare with top performers in a power law / winner-takes-all setting. Comparing random youtubers or OF-ers to PewDiePie is like comparing the guy owning a fruit stand down the street to Jeff Bezos. Owns business, owns business; the same thing, right?
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11. TeMPOr+Sb[view] [source] 2024-09-13 11:01:58
>>bad_us+(OP)
> but prostitution is still degrading

Why? Especially compared to e.g. advertising/marketing? At least in the former case, all parties to the transaction are there voluntarily, for an honest, mutually beneficial exchange of value.

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12. lotsof+Yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 11:23:04
>>mgauna+n3
Source? Like all entertainment sold with near zero marginal cost, why should only fans work also not follow an extreme power law formula for compensation.
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13. paulry+Kg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 11:50:46
>>medo-b+o6
Perhaps the lack of a "pat on the back" is society's fault.
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14. djtang+Ri[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 12:11:26
>>TeMPOr+xb
I agree that power laws are in play, but 1000 subs paying $10 a month is already a six figure income and 1000 users isn't a big number on the internet, especially when as TFA mentions you can go on reddit and advertise cosplays on subs that have audiences in the millions
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15. TeMPOr+zj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 12:16:32
>>djtang+Ri
1000 users isn't a big number. 1000 paying users is.
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16. swagas+SX[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 16:54:35
>>paulry+Kg
Why? it’s so easy to make content
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17. medo-b+571[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 18:03:01
>>paulry+Kg
For what? For opening your legs and getting paid for it? Without criminals and sleezy execs as clients prostitution would cease to exist. The edge cases mentioned before are tiny
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18. paulry+5K1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 22:57:26
>>swagas+SX
Well folks appreciate different things and to different degrees. Some are born with natural talents and others work hard for it. Regardless, folks generally get at least some respect for doing the work to produce things others appreciate. Stigmatizing OF work seems unfair when so much praise is heaped on creators and workers of all other kinds.
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19. medo-b+Km2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-14 08:29:24
>>paulry+5K1
It is not unfair if it clashes with cultural values. It is like coming to HN, going against the majority sentiment, and expecting likes
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