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1. driver+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-08-27 16:17:12
> Censorship, beyond what’s required by law, is doomed to fail.

Censorship, as you call it, is a requirement for any platform. It's better to call it moderation. Without it platforms would be 99% spam. I assume you support "censoring" spam so that means you support some level of moderation.

replies(2): >>dilap+u7 >>Dig1t+4g
2. dilap+u7[view] [source] 2024-08-27 16:46:50
>>driver+(OP)
Spam is a real problem, but when your platform is doing things like disallowing linking to a NY Post article on the Hunter Biden laptop or mentioning the possibility that COVID originated from a lab-leak, then I think pretty clearly the term "censorship" is more apt than "moderation".

Also, to the extent that a platform is surfacing content based on a friend or follow model, then that itself is intrinsically sufficient moderation for the spam problem (because you can simply unfriend or unfollow spam accounts).

(Spam friend requests and follows still need to be addressed, however.)

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3. BlueTe+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 17:13:22
>>dilap+u7
Sounds like it's the FBI's credibility that is shot - imagine Facebook had done nothing and it HAD been a Russian propaganda operation ?
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4. Dig1t+4g[view] [source] 2024-08-27 17:22:07
>>driver+(OP)
We're not talking about censoring spam, we're talking about real, verified people who are obviously not spamming being censored. The two are unrelated, and Zuck is admitting here that the current administration pushed them to censor things they fully knew were not spam.
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5. dilap+Xg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 17:26:15
>>BlueTe+be
I think it's completely reasonable for FB to take the position of "it is not our job to block links to newspapers".

Similarly I don't blame FB for failing to block links to the Steele dossier, even though I think it was bogus.

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6. SV_Bub+wp[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 18:07:16
>>BlueTe+be
> HAD been a Russian propaganda operation

But it wasn’t.

And everyone who looked the videos of Hunter smoking crack, and his text messages discussing Joe Biden involved in business dealings, and his relationship with his 24yo niece knew it wasn’t “Russian Disinformation”.

It was obviously real, and hidden from everyone in order to influence the election.

It was censorship at request of the government and election interference.

We don’t need the WHAT-IF it wasn’t.

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7. wredue+mH[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 19:30:31
>>SV_Bub+wp
None of this stuff was censored from reasonable sources.

Don’t know what to tell ya. If you share breitbart hot takes, expect possible takedown for disinformation.

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8. flanke+mL[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 19:48:31
>>BlueTe+be
By this logic nobody should ever publish anything.
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9. BlueTe+AR[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 20:20:14
>>flanke+mL
I'm pretty sure the FBI didn't came knocking discussing this comment of yours ?
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10. laidof+VS[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-27 20:28:45
>>SV_Bub+wp
It was almost definitely an iCloud hack laundered through a laptop (last Mac of its kind to not have at rest encryption on by default IIRC) provided to a conveniently blind computer technician who happened to know Rudy Giuliani personally.

I think anybody can tell this information wasn’t obtained fraudulently. It is notable though that the same press is currently sitting on hacked documents from Iran from the Trump campaign…

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11. SV_Bub+4A1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 02:01:13
>>wredue+mH
>None of this stuff was censored from reasonable sources

Even for HN, this is an ideologues bridge too far.

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12. wredue+qG1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 03:33:27
>>SV_Bub+4A1
Stop sharing legitimate news that comes with outright disinformation.

You’re not being taken down for the legitimate take. You are being taken down for the other wild assertions, conspiracy theories and lies that you cook up with them.

You people will write like “some stupid n*** shot up a grocery store”

Then you get taken down and whine that “I just made a comment about news that really happened”. And then the real reason it was taken down was the n-bomb you dropped.

The posts you claim are censored are not being censored for the reasons you are claiming.

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13. SV_Bub+zI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 03:57:21
>>wredue+qG1
>You people will write like “some stupid n** shot up a grocery store”

Wow. Well, I can tell how your mind works. Go ahead and keep all that to yourself, yea?

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14. SV_Bub+9J1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 04:03:27
>>SV_Bub+wp
* 14yo niece

I’m still waiting for the media to tell me what “I want to fold clothes with you in the bathroom at Whole Foods” meant.

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15. flanke+4D2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 13:31:52
>>BlueTe+AR
Imagine if YC didn't delete my comments and I was some Russian sock puppet.
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16. flanke+uD2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 13:33:30
>>laidof+VS
A crackhead forgot his laptop at a repair shop and refused to collect it.
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17. wredue+Rb3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 16:48:22
>>SV_Bub+zI1
You can keep your conspiracy theories to yourself. I am gleeful to respond to your nonsense and call it out for the lie that it is.
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18. laidof+lr3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 18:11:50
>>flanke+uD2
Lets think about this step by step.

1. Why would a repair shop accept a repair job without the return information?

2. Why would a repair shop start snooping on their own client's machines even if they were unable to contact their client?

3. Why are there multiple disk images, some "raw" and some pre-organized released to different press organizations and Trump sympathizers?

4. Why did the FBI warn Facebook in 2020 about the laptop story to "cover it up" when the FBI at the time was lead by a man appointed by Trump himself?

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19. flanke+2M3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-28 20:09:34
>>laidof+lr3
You are overcomplicating this. Criminals are stupid, crackhead criminals even more so.
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