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1. luke-s+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-20 12:26:38
Breaking working functionality is not cool. Sure they should perhaps license from Scarlett Johansson directly though. It might cost 1% of their GPU budget though. Pulling the rug though, really gives end users a lack of control of the interface, and harms trust in their product and organisation.

Edit: I know it's not really Scarlett Johansson, but it does sound very similar, and they can do better to make it right, in terms of sound and legality!

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2. sorenj+X[view] [source] 2024-05-20 12:33:39
>>luke-s+(OP)
> really gives end users a lack of control of the interface

This is the case for all mobile and web apps and has been the norm for over a decade now. If you want control over the UI or functionality, use local software that doesn't check some server for feature flags.

Even if Scarlett Johansson would agree to license her voice, which is a big if, it's not her voice that's being removed. It's a different actress that some users thinks sounds like Scarlett.

https://openai.com/index/how-the-voices-for-chatgpt-were-cho...

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3. catchn+72[view] [source] 2024-05-20 12:42:25
>>luke-s+(OP)
> Breaking working functionality is not cool.

if your product relied on temu scarjo, you never had a product.

4. Frustr+q4[view] [source] 2024-05-20 12:58:38
>>luke-s+(OP)
How is changing a voice recording breaking functionality?
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5. sgift+25[view] [source] 2024-05-20 13:04:11
>>luke-s+(OP)
I don't see why they should license her voice if she didn't provide the voice work. Actresses sometimes sound similar. If there's a demand that voices that sound "too similar" to well known actresses (or actors, obviously) need their okay or licensing that would seriously harm the less known ones ability to make a living with their own voice. Same with the demand to take it down because it sounds too similar. It's someone else, no reason to do something.
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6. nickth+g7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 13:21:00
>>Frustr+q4
For me, it was the only voice that I liked and I am paying $20/mo to access it and I use it all the time.
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7. luke-s+68[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 13:25:25
>>sorenj+X
I'm pointing out that it harms OpenAI to make users feel this way, I know it's common to give users a lack of control these days and that edge LLM's are not viable for this yet, and good luck with third party ChatGPT clients etc!

I'm not saying it's her voice. I'm not disputing that they found someone with a similar sounding voice. But OpenAI should still aim to license from Scarlett Johansson and fine-tune on real licensed audio from her, the real deal, and let users switch to it if they want to.

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8. luke-s+Ab[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 13:47:23
>>sgift+25
I agree but OpenAI wanted to take action. They should license properly if they want to take action, not just take down a legally sourced similar sounding voice.
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9. luke-s+fC[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 16:19:08
>>Frustr+q4
Because I selected that voice and now it's gone. That was it's job. It no longer does that job and now when I listen to the different voice, it's distracting because it makes me think of all this silly stuff instead.
10. luke-s+kl3[view] [source] 2024-05-21 12:32:15
>>luke-s+(OP)
So now we know that they tried to license from Scarlett Johansson directly but didn't reach agreeable terms. Sam has a lot of plates spinning, other plates are much more important but of course they should have done better from the start, and I'm sure they know it. It's not the best possible voice. Personally I really like a few from the 110 in the VCTK corpus from University of Edinburgh. They're used in a few places, I assume there are no license issues, and they could hire and re-record the best anyway with more emotion samples. It's funny they have a set list of voices rather than a space of voices that people can choose from.
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