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1. ecjhdn+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-18 01:49:59
It shouldn't be legal and maybe it isn't, but all schemes like this are, when you get down to it, ultimately about suppressing potential or actual evidence of serious, possibly criminal misconduct, so I don't think they are going to let the illegality get them all upset while they are having fun.
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2. sneak+13[view] [source] 2024-05-18 02:31:59
>>ecjhdn+(OP)
What crimes do you think have occurred here?
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3. ecjhdn+83[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 02:34:08
>>sneak+13
An answer in the form of a question: why don't OpenAI executives want to talk about whether Sora was trained on Youtube content?

(I should reiterate that I actually wrote "serious, possibly criminal")

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4. mindca+K7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 04:10:23
>>sneak+13
I’m no lawyer. But, this sure smells like some form of fraud. Or, at least breach of contract.

Employees and employer enter into an agreement: Work here for X term and you get Y options with Z terms attached. OK.

But, then later pulling Darth Vader… “Now that the deal is completing, I am changing the deal. Consent and it’s bad for you this way. Don’t consent and it’s bad that way. Either way, you held up your end of our agreement and I’m not.”

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5. tcmart+ch[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 06:55:53
>>sneak+13
They don't say that criminal activity has occurred in this instance, just that this kind of behavior could be used cover it up in situations where that is the case. An example that could potentially be true. Right now with everything going on with Boeing, it sure seems plausible they are covering something(s) up that may be criminal or incredibly damaging. Like maybe falsify inspections and maintenance records? A person at Boeing who gets equity as part of compensation decides to leave. And when they leave, they eventually at some point in the future decide to speak out at a congressional investigation about what they know about what is going on. Should that person be sued into oblivion by Boeing? Or should Boeing, assuming what situation above is true, just have to eat the cost/consequences for being shitty?
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6. Kepler+uo[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 08:43:27
>>ecjhdn+83
Because of course it was trained on Yt data, but they gain nothing from admitting that openly.
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7. edanm+tF[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 12:32:45
>>mindca+K7
I have no inside info on this, but I doubt this is what is happening. They could just say no and not sign a new contract.

I assume this was something agreed to before they started working.

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8. ezconn+uL[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 13:23:53
>>Kepler+uo
They will gain a lot of lawsuit if they admit they trained on youtube dataset because not everyone gave consent.
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9. stale2+W41[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 16:07:06
>>sneak+13
Right now, there is some publicity on Twitter regarding AGI/OpenAI/EA LSD cnc parties (consent non consent/simulated rape parties).

So maybe it's related to that.

https://twitter.com/soniajoseph_/status/1791604177581310234

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10. MOARDO+Fg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 18:06:20
>>ezconn+uL
Consent isn’t legally required. An admission, however, would upset a lot of extremely online people though. Seems lose lose.
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11. MacsHe+Pk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 18:41:31
>>stale2+W41
The ones going to orgies are the effective altruists / safety researchers who are leaving and not signing the non-disparagement agreement. https://x.com/youraimarketer/status/1791616629912051968

Anyway it's about not disparaging the company not about disclosing what employees do in their free time. Orgies are just parties and LSD use is hardly taboo.

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12. stale2+tr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 19:42:15
>>MacsHe+Pk1
> Orgies are just parties

Well apparently not if there are women who are saying that the scene and community that all these people are involved in is making women uncomfortable or causing them to be harassed or pressured into bad situations.

A situation can be bad, done informally by people within a community, even if it isn't done literally within the corporate headquarters, or if directly the responsibility of one specific company that can be pointed at.

Especially if it is a close-nit group of people who are living together, working together, involved in the same out of work organizations and non profits.

You can read what Sonia says herself.

https://x.com/soniajoseph_/status/1791604177581310234

> The ones going to orgies are the effective altruists / safety researchers who are leaving and not signing the non-disparagement agreement.

Indeed, I am sure that the people who are comfortable with the behavior or situation have no need to be pressured into silence.

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13. ecjhdn+Uy1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-18 20:39:14
>>MOARDO+Fg1
"Consent isn't legally required"?

I don't understand this point. If Google gave the data to OpenAI (which they surely haven't, right?), even then they'd not have consent from users.

As far as I understand it, it's not a given that there is no copyright infringement here. I don't think even criminal copyright infringement is off the table here, because it's clear it's for profit, it's clear it's wilful under 17 U.S.C. 506(a).

And once you consider the difficult potential position here -- that the liabilities from Sora might be worse than the liabilities from ChatGPT -- there's all sorts of potential for bad behaviour at a corporate level, from misrepresentations regarding business commitments to misrepresentations on a legal level.

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14. MOARDO+kV1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-19 00:57:15
>>ecjhdn+Uy1
The parent stated:

They will gain a lot of lawsuit if they admit they trained on youtube dataset because not everyone gave consent.

But a lawsuit fails if essential elements are not met. If consent isn’t required for the lawsuit to proceed, then it doesn’t matter whether or whether not consent was granted. QED.

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15. ecjhdn+Y02[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-19 02:18:08
>>MOARDO+kV1
Right - sorry, yes. I think I was reading your point back to front!
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16. Kepler+lu3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-19 19:51:02
>>ecjhdn+Uy1
What's the current situation on this? Do you waive the rights for AI training (presumably by Alphabet) when you upload content to YouTube?
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