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1. deadba+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-14 23:26:55
Did you not read what I said? They joined a non-profit and eventually realized the mission is futile.
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2. llamai+s[view] [source] 2024-05-14 23:31:40
>>deadba+(OP)
So dissolve it, return the money, go start a commercial enterprise, then raise some money.
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3. deadba+S[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-14 23:36:23
>>llamai+s
I’m sure that’s what each and every member of Hackernews would have done in the same position.
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4. ok_dad+x1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-14 23:41:22
>>deadba+S
Not all of us are as morally bankrupt as that. I personally think I could make tons of money with a dumb AI product in my specific area of expertise, but I don’t see how any tech from today would improve outcomes versus the SOTA that’s not AI, but it would add costs and complexity. I would personally be annoyed if a company I worked at changed its goals to make money rather than something more noble. It’s happened a few times to me, unfortunately.
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5. llamai+T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-14 23:45:44
>>deadba+S
Hmm no, I don't think that's the case, but what exactly is the legal or ethical relevance of it?

You don't generally get to excuse bad behavior because you can make up a hypothetical different person doing the same bad thing in that situation.

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6. dboreh+58[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 00:48:06
>>deadba+S
Sure, after fees and expenses..
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7. deadba+Ng[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 02:11:12
>>ok_dad+x1
Not all, but also not enough.
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8. ok_dad+Hi[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 02:30:46
>>deadba+Ng
It is career limiting to have morals.
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9. holons+Kx[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 05:34:24
>>ok_dad+Hi
It's much harder living without strong moral virtue.
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10. deadba+aF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 14:51:21
>>holons+Kx
No matter what path you choose, you still die.
11. jprd+5R1[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:45:35
>>deadba+(OP)
I read what you said, and I apologize for not being a bit more clear.

I completely understand your perspective, and I hope I'm always strong enough to listen to my conscience and obey my morals.

One of the first interviews I was ever offered in a technical role was for Bechtel, in 2004. I was desperate to break into a career, I accepted the interview. I was in the car driving to the location, and just realized I couldn't do it. I couldn't ignore my morality to work for such a clear and direct war profiteer, that as a private company, had no oversight.

If I join a non-profit that has a humanitarian mission, I do so because I'm into the mission and feel fulfilled by that more than my comp. I can't imagine trading that in just because @sama got thirsty.

The mission is futile, the mission at this organization has been compromised and corrupted. Resign and continue your mission elsewhere.

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