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that AGI, instead of benefitting the whole world, in which Musk is a part of, will end up only benefitting Microsoft, which he isn't a part of?

>>tw6000+(OP)
I don't think that qualifies as "standing", but IANAL.

>>Albert+H
I think the missing info here is that Musk gave the non-profit the initial $100 million dollars, which they used to develop the technology purportedly for the benefit of the public, and then turned around and added a for-profit subsidiary where all the work is happening.

>>Albert+H
He was also a founding donor, so there is that.

If I have a non-profit legally chartered save puppies, you give me a million dollars, then I buy myself cars and houses, I would expect you have some standing.

>>tw6000+(OP)
"AGI"

>>tw6000+(OP)
This is no AGI. An AGI is supposed to be the cognitive equivalent of a human, right? The "AI" being pushed out to people these days can't even count.

>>s1arti+54
Note that I didn't say he lacks standing. Just that your argument wasn't it.

>>WolfeR+K6
I would agree but the filing is at pains to argue the opposite (seemingly because such a determination would affect Microsoft's license).

>>s1arti+54
No, they spent $1m saving puppies, then raised more funds and did other things. That money Musk donated was spent almost a decade ago.

He has a competitor now that is not very good, so he is suing to slow them down.

>>jlmort+44
He has plenty of standing, but the "supposed to benefit all mankind" argument isn't it. If that were enough, everyone not holding stock in MSFT would have standing, and they don't.

>>WolfeR+K6
The AI is multiple programs working together, and they already pass math problems on to a data analyst specialist. There's also an option to use a WolframAlpha plugin to handle math problems.

The reason it didn't have math from the start was that it was a solved problem on computers decades ago, and they are specifically demonstrating advances in language capabilities.

Machines can handle math, language, graphics, and motor coordination already. A unified interface to coordinate all of those isn't finished, but gluing together different programs isn't a significant engineering problem.

>>WolfeR+K6
The only reason humans can count is because we have a short term memory, trivial to add to an LLM to be honest.

>>srouss+l8
It is more complex than that because they cant change what they do on a whim. no-profits have charters and documents of incorporation, which are the rules they will operate by both now and moving forward.

Why do you think that money was spent a decade ago? Open AI wasn't even founded 10 years ago. Musk's funding was the lions share of all funding until the Microsoft deal in 2019

>>yaomin+Ef
> The AI is multiple programs working together, and they already pass math problems on to a data analyst specialist. There's also an option to use a WolframAlpha plugin to handle math problems.

is quality of this system good enough to qualify for AGI?..

>>pelora+rg
LLMs already have short term memory: context window when they predict next token?

>>WolfeR+K6
The duality of AI's capability is beyond comical. On one side you have people who can't decide whether it can even count, on the other side you have people pushing for UBI because of all the jobs it will replace.

>>yaomin+Ef
You know what's not a "unified interface" in front of "different programs glued together"? A human.

By your own explanation, the current generation of AI is very far from AGI, as it was defined in GP.

>>yaomin+Ef
I guess we will know it when we see it. Its like saying computer graphics got so good that we have holodeck now. We dont have holodeck yet. We don't have AGI yet.

>>Timber+dp
Jobs are being replaced because they're good enough at bullshitting that the C-suites see dollar signs by being able to not pay people by using aforementioned bullshitting software.

Like that post from Klarna that was on HN the other day where they automated 2/3 of all support conversations. Anyone with a brain knows they're useless as chat agents for anyone with an actual inquiry, but that's not the part that matters with these AI systems, the amount of money psycho MBAs can save is the important part

>>s1arti+Fh
Because it was started 9 years ago and AI research is expensive.

>>srouss+6F
The reality was different. Prior to MSFT, Open AI ran a lean company operating within the the budget of Musk funding, focusing on science and talent. For example, in 2017, their annual compute spend was <$8 million compared to like 450 million for deep mind.

Big spend only came after MSFT, which invested $1B and then $10B, primarily in the form of credit for compute.

>>sensan+EB
We're at full employment with a tight labor market. Perhaps we should wait until there's a some harder evidence that the sky is indeed falling instead of relying on fragmented anecdotes.

>>WolfeR+K6
Either clueless or in denial. GPT-4 is already superior to the average human at many complex tasks.

>>s1arti+54
Disputing the activities under a Delaware charter would seem to fall under the jurisdiction of the Delaware Chancery Court, not the California court Musk went to. Delaware is specifically known for it being easy for non-profits to easily tweak their charters over time:

For example, it can mean that a founder’s vision for a private foundation may be modified after his or her death or incapacity despite all intentions to the contrary. We have seen situations where, upon a founder’s death, the charitable purpose of a foundation was changed in ways that were technically legal, but not in keeping with its original intent and perhaps would not have been possible in a state with more restrictive governance and oversight, or given more foresight and awareness at the time of organization.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/resources/bu...

>>baobab+Jr
The brain does have specialized systems that work together.