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I think OpenAI will do fine, but I have doubts about ChatGPT as a product. It’s just a chat UI, and I’m not convinced the UI will be chat 3 years from now.

Personally, the chat UI is the main limiting factor in my own adoption, because a) it’s not in the tool I’m trying to use, and b) it’s quicker for me to do the work than describe the work I need doing.

>>danpal+(OP)
I suppose it depends what you use it for; my time in search engine has reduced massively - and so has time 'not in the tool I'm trying to use' because it's been so much faster for me to find answers to some queries with ChatGPT than a search engine.

I'm not particularly interested in having it outright program for me (other than say to sketch how to do something as inspiration, which I'll rewrite rather than copy) because I think typically I'd want to do it a certain way and it would take far longer to NLP an LLM to write it in whatever syntax than to WhateverSyntaxProgram it myself.

>>danpal+(OP)
I interact with ChatGPT by voice pretty often, they have the best speech recognition I’ve ever seen. I can switch between languages (English, French, German) mid-sentence, think aloud, stop mid sentence, the correct what I just said, use highly technical terms (even describe code), I don’t even double check anymore because it’s almost always transcribed correctly. They can ~easily evolve the product to a more generalized conversation UX instead of just a text based chat.

>>dgello+e5
If only something like that was available on Android. I cannot dictate messages as my phone is in English, but most of my messages are in German or French. Or it's almost impossible to search for a non-English song when driving.

Multi languages would be so useful for me.

>>dgello+e5
This. Whisper is phenomenal. Have you tried the conversational mode? I would love to be able to use that in a more customized agent. I know you can use the conversation mode with a custom GPT but I’d prefer to write dynamic prompts programmatically. Would be great for a generalized personal assistant that can take notes, send/read email, texts, etc. could be a good filter on social notifications?

Though the TTS side has some trouble switching languages if only single words are embedded. A single German word inside an English sentence can really get butchered. More training needed on multilingual texts (and perhaps preserving italics). But anyways this is really only an issue for early language learning applications in my experience.

>>OJFord+C3
Coding assistants copy your style to a fault. You got to be careful about things like typos in comments, or it'll start suggesting sloppy code as well. And conversely you have to be careful about overly bureaucratic conventions (doc comments for things entirely described by their name, etc.), or it will suggest overly wrapped hypercorporate code.

But used as autocomplete, it's definitively a time saver. Most of us read faster than we type.

>>dgello+e5
Do you use the voice chat in the ChatGPT app?

In my experience, stopping to talk even for a moment already makes it submit. This makes a real conversation with pauses for thought difficult, because of the need to hurry before it cuts off.

>>dgello+e5
For me, voice is just a different UX for the same underlying model of chat. I'm sure it's good, but I'm not going to sit at my computer talking to it, and in fact I think talking may be a worse signal to noise ratio than typing, as I can easily use shortcuts with written text.

>>vinter+Xc
I assumed that was not what we were talking about, because I replied to:

> Personally, the chat UI is the main limiting factor in my own adoption, because a) it’s not in the tool I’m trying to use, [...]

though I haven't tried it through some combination of it the effort to set it up & it not particularly appealing to me anyway. The best it could possibly be would be like pair programming (back seat) with someone who does things the same way as you, and reviewing their code. I read faster than I type, but probably don't review non-trivial code faster than I type it. (That's not a brag, I just mean I think it's harder and takes longer to reason about something you haven't written, to understand it, and be confident you're not missing anything or haven't (both) failed to consider xyz.)

>>vwkd+Qf
FWIW if you hold down the big white button it won't submit until you release it. I had no idea this was a thing until seeing someone tweet about it.

>>vwkd+Qf
I think you’re describing the conversation mode (started via the headphones icon), I also have issues using it. But you can also dictate a message, on iOS it’s the little gray wave icon on the right of the text input. With this mode there is no auto submission.

>>killth+Oi1
Thanks, I had no idea!

>>danpal+4g
Not when you’re on your computer, but you can do it on your phone when you’re walking in the street or commuting.

You can easily talk while you’re doing something else.

>>clbrmb+fc
The conversational mode is fascinating. But it’s frustrating to use for the same reasons ChatGPT can be annoying: it doesn’t remember that well previous messages, you end up in weird Alzheimer-ish discussions where the interlocutor speaks perfectly but has the memory of a clownfish