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1. alchem+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-02-07 21:32:50
The critical factor in evaluating economic impact is per capita prosperity, not the geographic density of spending. Vacant properties, while not directly contributing to local consumer spending, represent significant capital inflows, enhancing the economic well-being on a per capita basis. Misunderstanding this dynamic overlooks the broader benefits of such investments, including bolstered public budgets and improved resource allocation.

Government intervention to forcibly lower property values or curb vacant properties is misguided and would likely diminish overall prosperity. Instead, efforts should concentrate on dismantling barriers like excessive zoning restrictions and streamlining building permits to encourage development and increase housing supply.

Viewing luxury or seaside properties remaining vacant as a problem ignores the unseen advantages these transactions provide. Sellers receive capital, presumably to be allocated more efficiently, while buyers secure a safe investment, indirectly contributing to the economy’s health. High housing prices signal a need for market adjustments, not for envy-driven policies that would only stifle growth and innovation. The sentiment of envy, while potentially motivating in small-scale societies, can lead to destructive policies in complex modern economies, detracting from the foundational principles that drive progress and prosperity.

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2. FireBe+Hi[view] [source] 2024-02-07 23:30:29
>>alchem+(OP)
This is veering into a realm of hypotheticals and academia that ignore real world reality and humanity.

You: "row upon row of vacant luxury properties represent significant capital inflow!"

Real world: vacant luxury houses can cause blight and other problems just as much as low-income housing.

Also, the value of the vacant property does not decrease because it is occupied. Unless your claim is that the local burden of people existing in a community is larger than the combination of their property and other contributions.

So an occupied property represents significant capital inflows AND enhances economic well-being on a per capita basis, AND does so moreso than the vacant, because there's the capital inflow AND the local spending.

Otherwise you end up with the absurdist trope of talking about public budgets as "homes and communities are worth more if no-one lives in them".

"Assume a spherical cow..." "Assume a row of oceanfront villas that have roads and sewage and utilities that require less maintenance because they're all vacant."

Phrasing it, as you repeatedly do, as "envy-driven" and "anti-free market" and libertarian ideology is sophistry. "You just don't get economics" - no, people understand that housing isn't a purely economic construct.

replies(1): >>alchem+aU
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3. alchem+aU[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-08 04:19:51
>>FireBe+Hi
The assertion that vacant luxury houses inherently cause blight overlooks the reality that many such properties are well-maintained, contributing to local tax revenues without burdening public services—a far cry from the notion of blight. Indeed, exclusive communities with predominantly absentee owners serve as a prime example where properties retain or even increase in value due to their exclusivity and limited use, benefiting the broader community through infrastructure contributions without proportional utilization.

The idea that homes might be ‘worth more if nobody lives in them’ reflects a misunderstanding of market dynamics in exclusive areas. These properties offer significant economic benefits by providing substantial tax revenues and maintaining high property values, which support public budgets and infrastructure with minimal physical wear and tear. This scenario underscores the often-overlooked reality that absentee ownership can contribute positively to a community’s economic and physical landscape.

Furthermore, dismissing the economic construct of housing ignores the foundational principles of supply and demand that govern real estate markets. All aspects of housing, from affordability to availability, are indeed shaped by economic forces. Acknowledging this doesn’t detract from the importance of community and social well-being; rather, it provides a basis for understanding and addressing housing challenges in a manner grounded in reality, not ideology.

replies(1): >>FireBe+X61
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4. FireBe+X61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-08 06:17:13
>>alchem+aU
All of this studiously ignores the fact that occupied homes provide exactly the same tax revenue, the same property value, support the same budgets as those vacant homes. Yes, increased wear and tear comes with occupation. But you pretzel yourself to act like the people in the homes contribute nothing to the local economy to subsidize and account for this increased wear and tear.
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5. alchem+kt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-08 10:09:18
>>FireBe+X61
Unoccupied homes don’t contribute a capita that’s not pretzel anything. The fact you don’t like rich people owning homes they don’t use or live in, doesn’t make them bad for prosperity just because you want them to be. Locaions with that phenomenon are some of the most prosperous in the world.
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