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1. mgauna+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-28 13:04:24
Why would anyone worry about things they have no control on?

People that overestimate the value of their opinions, maybe.

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2. toaste+8c[view] [source] 2024-01-28 14:24:07
>>mgauna+(OP)
Because they can vote.
3. and0+kd[view] [source] 2024-01-28 14:33:13
>>mgauna+(OP)
There's a narcissism that lends to every generation thinking theirs is the end of history, but I don't think it entirely explains anxiety over climate change.
4. perlge+Ig[view] [source] 2024-01-28 14:56:05
>>mgauna+(OP)
But you have partial control.

You can vote for candidates that take climate change seriously.

You can decide to buy or lease an EV instead of an ICE one.

You can raise the bar for when you book a flight.

And so on...

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5. bkfh+nl[view] [source] 2024-01-28 15:25:49
>>mgauna+(OP)
The two most powerful things you can do:

1. Vote for the party that protects the environment 2. Work on smt that has positive climate impact

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6. anonus+dq[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 16:00:43
>>perlge+Ig
The crux of the problem is this;

The people that believe in climate change don’t understand how to solve the problem. And the people that know how to solve the problem don’t really consider it a problem worth solving at this point.

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7. JackSl+WL[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 18:20:58
>>perlge+Ig
Well, the only meaning full to do is kill yourself, so you are right : everybody is in control, somehow
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8. mgauna+BM[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 18:24:49
>>perlge+Ig
It's not up to individuals to fix it. Your impact is nothing.

Cars matter very little in the big picture as well -- it's a distraction to blame the little people.

The vast majority of pollution is caused by industrial processes. The fix here is simple: regulate and enforce the regulation.

The main polluting countries are:

the USA: too afraid to do anything in case it affects their economy, political caste too corrupt to do what's needed.

Russia: doesn't give a shit, mostly see global warming as a way to get more influence, more usable land, and have such a little population density anyway they can afford to fuck some of it.

India: polluting as a result of too many people and trying to catch up economically, but might get their shit together like China did.

Saudi Arabia: has built their whole state on an unsustainable dependency on burning more than half of the oil they extract just for AC and water, and is completely fucked regardless.

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9. mgauna+3N[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 18:27:28
>>bkfh+nl
I cannot vote for any of the top contributers to pollution.

In my country people aren't stupid and do embrace reasonable and managed use of natural resources, regardless of party.

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10. tim333+tO[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 18:35:11
>>mgauna+BM
World society is just a bunch of individuals so some have to do something.

Re global regulation you need to get the main players like the US, China and Russia to agree some sort of policy which is tricky but might be possible if people lobby their politicians.

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11. mgauna+3R[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 18:47:33
>>tim333+tO
There is already a global agreement that the US keeps getting out of.

China has already solved their problem and significantly improved air quality in its cities, and is the world biggest builder of nuclear power plants. They ceased being a problem already.

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12. ianbur+1T[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 19:00:25
>>mgauna+BM
We don't care about pollution, for climate change only the pollution of carbon dioxide matters. The majority of carbon dioxide is produced by transportation and heating, much of that from individuals.

There are a lot of people that want to deflect from action on climate change by focusing on the oil refinery and not the tailpipe.

Your list is suspiciously missing China, the biggest producer of CO2. Saudi Arabia is down the list, after South Korea and Germany; their CO2 per capita is but not abormally. It is the per capita emissions and population that matter. Then USA (300 million), Russia (147 million), Saudi Arabia (40 million), India (1.4 billion). The first three have large per capita emissions, double the others. The list of CO2 producers are basically a list of large and/or rich countries.

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13. mgauna+n11[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 19:57:18
>>ianbur+1T
I listed the countries blocking progress, not the one that produced more according to some arbitrary metric.
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14. kiitos+Xm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 22:39:58
>>mgauna+BM
China is the worst offender, by a huge margin.
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15. kiitos+4n1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 22:40:37
>>mgauna+n11
You wrote "the main polluting countries", not "the main impediments to progress".
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16. perlge+GP5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-30 08:37:55
>>mgauna+BM
> It's not up to individuals to fix it.

On the one hand, that sounds true.

On the other hand, everybody who acts is an individual. States and countries don't act on their own, they are driven by acts of individuals.

So, what's the right framing? Maybe that we need society-level changes, driven by individuals.

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17. kiitos+eSb[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 23:28:04
>>mgauna+3R
This is obviously not true?
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