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1. Aerroo+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-28 09:27:53
It's estimated that we couldn't support much more than half the world population without the Haber-Bosch process. Industrial fertilizers are just that important. With hunter gatherers you'd be talking about orders of magnitude fewer people.
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2. defros+O[view] [source] 2024-01-28 09:35:33
>>Aerroo+(OP)
Probably best to focus on decoupling from fossil fuels.

    The Haber-Bosch process is the primary method in producing ammonia from nitrogen and hydrogen. Ammonia produced, utilized mainly as fertilizers, currently responsible for approximately 1.8% of carbon dioxide global emissions 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/haber-bosch...

Yes, green ammonia is a thing - not yet at scale but there are plans afoot, funded by resource billionaires, to make industrial ammonia w/out the greenhouse gas ommissions.

https://fortescue.com/what-we-do/green-energy-research/green...

3. Errati+mx1[view] [source] 2024-01-28 21:10:06
>>Aerroo+(OP)
We should have never let the population levels grow havoc as the H&B process was introduced.

We reduced famines for a few centuries or less while the population in the most polluting countries exploded. Now, we risk famines and a possible slow death due to extreme drought due to the climate change created by the fossil Fuel Industry, in the billions

The implementation of the H&BP was irresponsible and reckless.

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4. Aerroo+Ec2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-29 03:29:33
>>Errati+mx1
I would argue the opposite. It has led to the greatest improvement of human life in history and prehistory. It's one of the cornerstones of our technological progress. It has staved off immense amounts of suffering. Even if it doesn't last it was worthwhile, because we at least have a chance to deal with future problems like climate change. Staying as a pre-industrial society would never have given us this chance.
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