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If some company sells stuff that requires a connection to their cloud then it is 100% fair game to reverse and utilize that cloud to get the product working the way you want.

They have no right to be upset about that. They sold you a requirement to connect to that cloud. If they don't want anyone connecting to their cloud, then don't sell cloud connected junk.

>>beeboo+(OP)
> They have no right to be upset about that.

Emotionally, ethically, morally, sure. Legally? We'll see how this shakes out, I guess.

But yeah - this is one of the reasons why nothing in my home is smart. I fully can't bring myself to trust any company to not eventually fuck me, either intentionally, or by going out of business and bricking some C&C server, or by selling themselves to some assholes.

>>pavel_+B3
All my smarthome stuff is zigbee based, controlled by home assistant locally. It's nice. Agree on avoiding cloud garbage.

>>beeboo+(OP)
I think the issue, particularly in the case of some of the companies that have been hostile to Home Assistant integrations, is that, according to them, the small number of users with reverse engineered access to their cloud, tend to abuse the API by creating a significant percentage of the traffic, presumably by accessing it "incorrectly".

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it should be fair game, but ultimately, if reverse engineered users are creating, say, 50% of traffic[0], because they're polling instead of using the proper push mechanism, these sorts of companies can and will get upset.

Frankly, as a backend software engineer myself, if any system I built with the purpose of being constantly accessed by a fleet of devices sold on the open market couldn't handle the relatively tiny numbers MyQ created a fuss[1] over, I'd be embarrassed.

[0] https://chamberlaingroup.com/press/a-message-about-our-decis... [1] https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/11/06/removal-of-myq...