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1. tauntz+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-03 19:48:35
Move to a different country.

I'm in an EU country and it's really rare to see a company do any background checks at all. Be honest, if/when you're asked about it of course - but just from personal anecdotal experience, it's rare that somebody even bothers to ask. (this might vary of course from country to country)

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2. elchie+t[view] [source] 2024-01-03 19:51:38
>>tauntz+(OP)
the company might not do a criminal background check, but the immigration officer sure will...

another country is very unlikely to let someone immigrate (or even visit) with a criminal record

replies(2): >>filole+r6 >>felon1+ge
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3. filole+r6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 20:19:57
>>elchie+t
Yeah, that’s a big one. Hell, you will most likely get grilled (and likely denied entry) by Canadian Border Patrol driving in for a short tourist trip as a US citizen just for having a misdemeanor. Not even talking about immigrating to Canada or getting a permission to work there, or more serious offenses.

I have a squeaky clean record, was driving an 8 year old toyota camry at the time, and by all accounts appeared as the most boring non-offensive person out there trying to cross the Vancouver border with my mom and sister (who were both US citizens by then too, so it isn’t like I was transporting non-citizens across the border) for a daytrip during a weekend. And CBP went on a 10-15 mins long line of questioning about what exactly I do for work (was in a somewhat niche area of MSFT at the time, so it isn’t like they would be suspicious of the employer being shady or anything like that, but also it was really difficult to explain exactly what i do for work to someone who sounded like they just discovered the existence of software engineering and have zero idea what any of it is). Only after that got cleared up and answering a few more strangely personal questions (from me, as well from my mom and sister), they let me in. For context, they were visiting me from GA, and I was the driver. The entire process took close to 20 mins. And something similar happened at least every other time I tried to cross the WA-Vancouver border.

In contrast, crossing the border back into the US was as smooth and efficient as I could have possibly imagined every single time. Despite my passengers occasionally creating non-happy-path situations for crossing the border. On that same trip I mentioned above, my mom decided to buy some really nice looking grapes and bring them back home (which was not known to me at the time). The US officer, as we were crossing the border back into the US, asked if we were bringing anything back. My mom honestly said “oh, nothing, except these grapes.” Unknown to us, those grapes were considered invasive/harmful species that weren’t allowed to be brought into the US. All that did was adding less than an extra minute to our trip, because the border officer just calmly explained to us the situation, profusely apologized, and said that our options were to either eat the grapes or watch as he throws them away into a trash can in front of us. The whole experience from start to finish took less than 2 minutes.

P.S. Major apologies for going on a massive side-tangent. All I wanted to say was that, yeah, with any sort of a criminal record (even as minor as a misdemeanor), a lot of international options are almost instantly axed at the visa stage. Way before even getting to the “will the employer be ok with my criminal record” stage.

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4. felon1+ge[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 20:54:21
>>elchie+t
EU let's you in. Canada will not though. I know from experience.
5. icepat+Ae[view] [source] 2024-01-03 20:56:11
>>tauntz+(OP)
You need a clean background to move to another country if you're not a European. I specifically had to submit a Canadian RCMP fingerprint based background check when I moved to Iceland. EU nationals have it much easier, since the relocation process in the EU does not require that level of scrutiny.
replies(2): >>infamo+On >>tauntz+vO4
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6. infamo+On[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 21:46:17
>>icepat+Ae
If you're in the US, cross the border into Mexico and re-enter as an asylum seeker.

Until the idiots in charge change this (by enforcing the existing laws), you should take maximum advantage of its opportunities.

replies(1): >>justso+cu
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7. justso+cu[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 22:30:18
>>infamo+On
could you explain this further? what benefit would there be?
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8. retrac+MA[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 23:19:35
>>justso+cu
I assume they're suggesting create a false identity, and pose as a foreign national illegally living in the United States.

It's a rather ...unconventional suggestion, that clearly was not thought out. There is a high risk someone doing that ends up stateless, i.e., with no documentation or paperwork establishing citizenship in any country. The US may arrest such a person at the border - and then imprison them - and then try to deport them back to their country of origin. But what is your country of origin? It may mean a stay in immigration detention indefinitely. There's no guarantee authorities would believe a claim of US citizenship at that point. Citizens who've gotten in that position (usually cases of mistaken identity and/or misbehaviour by US customs) have been deported, and they don't always make it home. It is a potentially Kafkaesque nightmare and I would not advise intentionally putting yourself in that situation.

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9. infamo+7E[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-03 23:49:21
>>retrac+MA
U.S. Customs and Border Protection will happily reply to emails explaining exactly what I said is what in fact happens. You don't have to travel to Arizona or Texas to see it first-hand.

Rather than constructing an imaginary straw man detached from reality, please try to reply to the comment and the facts with external links to refute the information. I'm more than happy to provide further counter-factual information to whatever hifalutin nonsense is offered, as if this isn't a statement of fact.

What I'm describing is what actually happens today for the overwhelming majority of border crossings. :)

replies(2): >>mixmas+721 >>0xDEAD+p61
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10. mixmas+721[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-04 04:04:17
>>infamo+7E
Neither of you has given much hard information. No dog in the hunt here, but it sounds interesting.
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11. 0xDEAD+p61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-04 04:47:41
>>infamo+7E
according to [0] the government collects fingerprints from asylum seekers. huge surprise, i know. this probably renders your "idea" moot.

[0] https://help.asylumadvocacy.org/faqs-biometrics/

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12. tauntz+vO4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-05 09:57:46
>>icepat+Ae
Aha, thanks, I didn't know that!
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13. icepat+Q56[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-05 18:04:17
>>tauntz+vO4
After I replied to you I asked a European national who I know if they had to submit anything. They did not, and only found out that it's part of the process by talking to American expats. So apparently this is not common knowledge in the EU!
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