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> the first being at the birth of modern search engines.

Why do you say that? Search engines would at least direct the viewer to the source. NYT gets 35%+ of its traffic from Google: https://www.similarweb.com/website/nytimes.com/#traffic-sour...

>>tracyh+(OP)
Just because they asked for forgiveness instead of asking first for permission, it's original sins will not be erased :-)

"Google Agrees to Pay Canadian Media for Using Their Content" - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/world/americas/google-can...

>>tracyh+(OP)
That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t theft of their content. The internet would be a very different place if creator compensation and low friction micropayments were some of the first principles. Instead we’re left with ads as the only viable monetization model and clickbait/misinformation as a side effect.

>>belter+m5
That's why I think the newspapers will manage to win against the LLM companies. They won against Google despite having no real argument why they should get paid to get more traffic. The search engine tax is even a shakier concept than the LLM tax would be.

Newspapers are very powerful and they own the platform to push their opinion. I'm not about to forget the EU debates where they all (or close to all) lied about how meta tags really work to push it their way, they've done it and they will do it again.

>>kbos87+A5
I don't quite get it. If listing your link is considered as theft, HN is then a thief of content too. If you don't want your content stolen, just tell Google to not index your website?

I guess it's more constructive to propose alternatives than just bashing the status quo. What's your creator compensation model for a search engine? I believe whatever being proposed is trading off something significant for being more ethic.