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1. soulof+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-27 16:25:50
It doesn't matter what is legal. It matters what is right. Society is about balancing the needs of the individual vs the collective. I have a hard time equating individual rights with the NYT and I know my general views on scraping public data and who I was rooting for in the LinkedIn case.
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2. notaha+Of[view] [source] 2023-12-27 17:53:15
>>soulof+(OP)
I have an even harder time equating individual rights with the spending of $xx billion in Azure compute time and payment of a collective $0 to millions of individuals who involuntarily contribute training material to create a closed source, commercial service allowing a single company to compete with all the individuals currently employed to create similar work.

NYT just happens to be an entity that can afford to fight Microsoft in court.

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3. hacker+fr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 18:53:51
>>notaha+Of
I don't see a problem as long as there's taxation.

Look at SpaceX. They paid a collective $0 to the individuals who discovered all the physics and engineering knowledge. Without that knowledge they're nothing. But still, aren't we all glad that SpaceX exists?

In exchange for all the knowledge that SpaceX is privatizing, we get to tax them. "You took from us, so we get to take it back with tax."

I think the more important consideration isn't fairness it's prosperity. I don't want to ruin the gravy train with IP and copyright law. Let them take everything, then tax the end output in order to correct the balance and make things right.

4. jeremy+AE[view] [source] 2023-12-27 20:06:20
>>soulof+(OP)
When we're discussing litigation, it certainly matters what is legal.
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5. onlyre+9O1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 05:47:10
>>jeremy+AE
And also - if what is legal isn't right, we live in a democracy and should change that.

Saying what's legal is irrelevant is an odd take.

I like living in a place with a rule of law.

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6. soulof+3g4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 23:07:31
>>onlyre+9O1
Should Harriet Tubman have petitioned her local city council and waited for a referendum before freeing slaves?
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7. onlyre+8J4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-29 04:10:30
>>soulof+3g4
Time will tell if comparing slavery to copyright is ridiculous or not.

In the case of slavery - we changed the law.

In the case of copyright - it's older than the Atlantic Slave Trade and still alive and kicking.

It's almost as if one of them is not like the other.

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8. soulof+aA5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-29 14:04:58
>>onlyre+8J4
> It's almost as if one of them is not like the other.

Use this newfound insight to take my comment in good faith, as per HN guidelines, and recognize that I am making a generalized analogy about the gap between law and ethics, and not making a direct comparison between copyright and slavery.

Can we get back on topic?

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