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1. NiloCK+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:52:45
Interesting.

I think the appropriation, privatization, and monetization of "all human output" by a single (corporate) entity is at least shameless, probably wrong, and maybe outright disgraceful.

But I think OpenAI (or another similar entity) will succeed via the Sackler defense - OpenAI has too many victims for litigation to be feasible for the courts, so the courts must preemptively decide not to bother with compensating these victims.

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2. edanm+L[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:56:51
>>NiloCK+(OP)
What do you mean when you say "appropriation and privatization" of "all human output"?

The output is still there for anyone else to train on if they want.

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3. ubutle+y1[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:01:24
>>NiloCK+(OP)
What does the Sackler defence refer to?
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4. ttcbj+H3[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:11:43
>>NiloCK+(OP)
What concerns me, and I don’t see mentioned as much as I would expect, is: how will people be compensated for generating new content if ChatGPT takes over?

I believe the innovation that will really “win” generative AI in the long term is one that figures out how to keep the model populated with fresh, relevant, quality information in a sustainable way.

I think generative AI represents a chance to fundamentally rethink the value chain around information and research. But for all their focus on “non-profit” and “good for humanity”, they don’t seem very interested in that.

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5. aaomid+94[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 15:13:48
>>ubutle+y1
Opioids.
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6. LordKe+L4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 15:17:27
>>ubutle+y1
The Sackler family owned Purdue Pharma, which created OxyContin and heavily marketed the drug. Many Americans see the family as partially responsible for kickstarting the opioid epidemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

The family has been largely successful at avoiding any personal liability in Purdue’s litigations. Many people feel the settlements of the Purdue lawsuits were too lenient. One of the key perceived aspects of the final settlements was that there was too many victims of the opioid epidemic for the courts to handle and attempt to make whole.

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7. janice+Xg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 16:27:52
>>edanm+L
> The output is still there for anyone else to train on if they want.

Legal arguments aside, the goldrush era of data scraping is over. Major sources of content like Reddit and Twitter have killed APIs, added defenses and updated EULAs to avoid being pillaged again. More and more sites are moving content behind paywalls.

There's also the small issue of having 10s of millions of VC dollars to rent/buy hundreds of high end GPUs. OpenAI and friends are also trying their hardest to prevent others doing so via 'Skynet' hysteria driven regulatory capture.

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8. legend+7l[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 16:48:41
>>ttcbj+H3
Agree. My view is we’re in the Napster moment and someone is going to invent the iTunes Music Store. Language models are a distribution mechanism for knowledge content—- in many cases more efficient and useful than the originally packaged materials (akin to how downloading a single pop song is greater than buying the album). It feels clear this is where we’re headed (verified, compensated content delivered through a new mechanism); this lawsuit is like the RIAA v. music sharing and the question is just if the current players in AI make it through or if someone else will come in and do iTunes.
9. graphe+Ul[view] [source] 2023-12-27 16:53:45
>>NiloCK+(OP)
When music people copyright things beats sounds or "style" in music it's even more shameless.
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