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1. necrof+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:30:27
which laws are broken exactly? it's not remotely settled law that "training an NN = copyright infringement"
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2. noitpm+61[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:36:54
>>necrof+(OP)
The training isn't the issue per se, it's the regurgitation of verbatim text (or close enough to be immediately identifiable) within a for-profit product. Worse still that the regurgitation is done without attribution.
3. LargeT+a1[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:37:15
>>necrof+(OP)
The legal argument, which I'm sure you are very well aware of, is that training a model on data, reorganizing, and then presenting that data as your own is copyright infringement.
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4. anamex+e1[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:37:39
>>necrof+(OP)
Right, hence the lawsuit. They allege that the Copyright Act is the law that was broken.
5. zztop4+u1[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:38:39
>>necrof+(OP)
No, we’re seeing the first steps of it (maybe) becoming settled law.
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6. profes+vb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 15:34:13
>>LargeT+a1
I don't think OP is arguing in bad faith.The fact is it's unclear what laws this legal argument is supported by.
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7. munchl+TB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 18:01:05
>>LargeT+a1
Can you elaborate a bit more? That’s actually just a claim, not a legal argument.

Copyright law allows for transformative uses that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work. Are LLM’s not transformative?

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8. LargeT+tI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 18:36:18
>>profes+vb
Agreed, it is unclear. It's also a very commonly discussed issue with generative AI and there's been a significant amount of buzz around this. Is the NYT testing the legal waters? Maybe. Will this case set precedent? Yes. Is this a silly, random, completely unhinged case to bring?

No.

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