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Can someone explain the technical difference between what search engines do to index newspapers versus what is being claimed here? Is the difference as simple as me being able to get summaries and content from a newspaper from GPT without needing to visit their website?

>>robg+(OP)
NYTimes is an ad-supported business, so you visiting their website to read the content those ads pay for is important.

>>23B1+X
NYT is an anomaly. The majority of their revenue is actually from subscriptions.

>>robg+(OP)
A search engines principle job is to provide you with links you can find the answer to your question.

The LLMs are ingesting all of that content en masse and would provide you the answer directly, with no compensation to the writers who actually did the research to provide that answer.

Search engines are symbiotic, LLMs are parasitic.

>>robg+(OP)
Imagine a paid streaming service that has, say, the Lord of the Rings trilogy as part of their catalogue. They’ll be happy if you send people searching for “watch Lord of the Rings now” to their landing page.

But if instead you send everyone who searches for that an .mkv of Lord of the Rings that’s ripped from their site, they’ll probably be be less happy.

>>gizmo3+R2
Except Google forced these companies to use their platform (Google's AMP) to host the content and essentially blackmailed into doing so ("we'll link directly, but only on page 3 of results").

>>zztop4+z3
Wha rid that .mkv was actually a high quality reenactment with different actors and millions of slight differences peppered throughout the story. And if a viewer of the original and a viewer of the .mkv talked about the movie they would agree on most things. But the color of the sunset or the home town name of the main character maybe different?

>>robg+(OP)
The difference is that search engines don’t destroy the incentive to do the value-added activity of “produce original content.”

To the extent they do do that, e.g. Google’s “Knowledge Graph” snippets that extract content onto the results page, they also tend to be under fire for those. At least those (attempt to?) cite the source.

>>23B1+X
My browser doesn’t display ads and shows little regard for most paywalls. Do I owe NYTimes something?

>>mbruml+O4
Warner Brothers sued and won against Asylum for this very thing lmao. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockbuster

>>mbruml+O4
Well at the very least it would be an interesting court case!

>>solarp+M9
The Asylum suit was about trademark, not copyright. Asylum changed the title of the film to not infringe on Warner brother’s trademark and released it anyway.

>>Someon+74
AMP did not need to be hosted by Google.

>>amanap+Qg
yes, op asked about a video titled lotr.mkv, but with millions of tiny differences.

>>jeffbe+jh
When it launched it absolutely did.

>>Someon+GS
Nope. Even the launch press release from 2015 mentions specifically that origins still host their own content under AMP.

>>cush+92
And?

>>travoc+L6
How is that germane to the point I'm making?