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1. JamesB+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-09 09:01:44
Every nation in that area is an Islamic theocracy, monarchy, a failed state or a military dictatorship.

If we waived a magic wand and made Palestine and Israel one country we wouldn't have peace. We'd have a a bloody civil war that makes the current conflict look like childs play.

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2. rayine+zM[view] [source] 2023-12-09 16:11:22
>>JamesB+(OP)
Exactly. Show me an Arab country where Jews live as equals and prosper. There isn’t one. There’s just a few thousand Jews in the Arab countries. Less than 100 in Syria and Lebanon, about 100 in Egypt. Five in Iraq. Officially, zero in Saudi.

Ethnostates are still highly relevant today, especially for Jews.

3. George+Wv1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 20:44:07
>>JamesB+(OP)
In my country, the US, many people once believed that slavery was morally wrong, but still argued against freeing the slaves because they might try to take revenge on the rest of the population. Those fears were, in fact, confirmed on several occasions. And even today, areas with a high population of descendants of slaves fare far worse by almost every economic and social measure.

Freeing the slaves (a task which required us to fight the deadliest war in our history) was still the right and necessary thing to do. "You broke it, you bought it."

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4. JamesB+Zs2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-10 06:06:55
>>George+Wv1
The Israelis are not just going to dissolve Israel and give it to the Palestinians just like the US won't dissolve itself and give itself back to the Native Americans.
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5. nec4b+zA3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-10 18:56:37
>>George+Wv1
What has American slavery to do with Arab imperialism?
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6. George+SJ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-11 06:54:35
>>JamesB+Zs2
> dissolve Israel and give it to the Palestinians

That's not what I'm asking for. In the US, Native Americans and descendants of slaves have full legal and political rights (in fact, Native Americans have extra political rights not granted to other citizens). Israel also can give Palestinians full legal and political rights, either in a separate state or as part of a one-state solution, without compromising its continued existence.

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7. theonl+9J6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-11 21:42:32
>>George+SJ4
A statement like that unfortunately muddies the waters, it takes two to tango. Sadly things have deteriorated but at one stage there was a path to citizenship of Israel also there were offers of a state.
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8. JamesB+J57[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-12 00:10:08
>>George+SJ4
If native Americans made up 60% of the population and voted hamas into power the last time they had an election it would have been a much tougher choice for the us to give them voting rights.
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