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1. yyyk+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-09 03:37:32
>I do recall opposition to America’s post 9-11 response based on the same arguments

Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these considerations.

>The current laws of war do not allow, for instance, strikes at medical facilities.

This is wrong. Medical facilities can be struck if they are used for war.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/08/504815234...

Moreover, this is not what happened in Gaza - there were raids but not dropping bombs from airplanes, the former being much less destructive.

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2. lazyas+J7[view] [source] 2023-12-09 05:04:03
>>yyyk+(OP)
> Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these considerations.

Not true.

I certainly wouldn’t refer to “the US did it” as a cite for “it’s not a war crime”, but that article appears to be saying they attacked a place not thought to be currently active as a civilian medical facility.

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3. yyyk+Ss[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-09 09:10:19
>>lazyas+J7
>Not true.

Some of us have direct memories of the time and it was very much true...

>I certainly wouldn’t refer..

They weren't even aware they weren't any patients. And it's not the only hospital attacked at Mosul. Most hospitals there were attacked:

https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/iraq-rebuilding-hospital-r...

If you want the legal brief, see Article 8.2.e.iv. with an explicit carveout ("provided they are not military objectives"):

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf#page=...

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4. redcit+7M[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-09 12:11:24
>>lazyas+J7
> Not true.

Make an argument, not just a contradiction. The fact is that public opinion on the Iraq war was far higher (47-60% in favor) initially than it is now (61% say we should have stayed out).

wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#

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5. lazyas+Hk2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-09 23:25:54
>>yyyk+Ss
Yes, I do have direct memories of the time. Perhaps you were in one of those pro-war bubbles that didn't see any opposition.
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6. lazyas+Uk2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-09 23:27:54
>>redcit+7M
My argument is that there was not consensus. You cite that there was up to 60% support, and you somehow think you are disagreeing with me?
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7. yyyk+5q3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-10 13:39:20
>>lazyas+Hk2
I actually remember quite a bit of opposition. Just not on these grounds.
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