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Pro-Ukraine viewd also outnumber pro-Russia views on twitter or facebook. Are the conclusions you draw from this fact the same? Why/why not?

>>andrep+(OP)
With Ukraine there’s a clear victim and clear aggressor. Textbook good vs evil.

>>wiseow+Bf
> aggressor

You mean NATO with its orders of magnitude power encroaching East despite their empty promises in 90s?

>>d0mine+Rb1
How is this related to one sovereign nation invading another sovereign nation?

>>wiseow+qR1
Survival. What would you do when someone much stronger than you corners you? You hit back.

>>d0mine+Bk2
Ukraine is much stronger than Russia and corners it? Are you nuts?

>>wiseow+Pb4
Look at the context of the thread. It is likely that even chatgpt would pick up on the explicitly mentioned NATO, and its power.

>>d0mine+jK4
Even ChatGPT would pick up my sarcasm and understand that you’re talking out of your ass. Ukraine has as much to do with NATO as Georgia and Afghanistan.

>>wiseow+EW5
Ukraine applied to integrate with a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008. On 20 September 2018 the Ukrainian parliament approved amendments to the constitution that would make the accession of the country to NATO and the EU a central goal and the main foreign policy objective. In other words, Ukraine has a lot to do with NATO. Also, NATO Membership Action Plan involved Georgia.

>>hhr+Zr6
> On 20 September 2018 the Ukrainian parliament approved amendments to the constitution that would make the accession of the country to NATO and the EU a central goal and the main foreign policy objective.

That definitely came out of nowhere and not because Russian soldiers occupied Crimea and effectively occupied east of Ukraine. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons and Russia was one of the guarantors of Ukraine’s sovereignty.

And regardless of all of this, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can do whatever the f””” it wants.

>>wiseow+Ne7
Cuba is a sovereign nation, it can install missiles. Oh, wait..

>>d0mine+zW7
Good example, US didn’t invade under DIRECT threat of nuclear missiles on Cuba’s soil.

Ukraine signed Budapest memorandum in 1994 and willingly gave up nukes for security assurances (ironically Russia is one of the guarantees).

>>wiseow+glf
There was no invasion because Soviets removed Cuban missiles and Kennedy promised to remove U.S. missiles from Turkey (the missiles being there is the reason for the crisis in the first place).

>>d0mine+h5l
QED.

>>wiseow+R3m
This time It is unlikely that NATO stops the bully-favorite "did you step on my foot" game.

So there is no choice for Russia: fight or be dismembered.