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1. exabri+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-22 20:43:36
Which is pretty ironic considering even Signal has plenty of fat that can cut... average salary is pretty out of this world.
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2. kelvie+38[view] [source] 2023-11-22 21:24:01
>>exabri+(OP)
I mean these people seem to be worth their salaries if they can accomplish so much with just 50 HC.
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3. gamblo+ji[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 22:17:52
>>kelvie+38
Facebook Messenger serves more than 20x the users with fewer than 20x the employees...

WhatsApp and Instagram similarly serve more users per employee than Signal does, at an average compensation lower than what the average Signal employee makes.

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4. why_at+mm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 22:41:19
>>gamblo+ji
Do you know the actual number of employees at each of these services? I'm not doubting you, only asking because I'm curious and have no idea personally.

It's interesting if their headcounts are similar, although maybe not entirely unexpected. It doesn't take that many people to maintain a messaging service, so there shouldn't be that much of a difference.

If I'm being generous to Signal, I could say that most of the extra employees at these companies (e.g. Facebook) don't directly work on Messenger itself, but work on the surrounding data collection/ad tech. At the same time, there is a certain number of employees that any company needs just for people to handle the administrative/business side of things, so that explains the extra people working for Signal.

If I'm being less generous, maybe Signal really isn't that different, and Facebook et al just have so many extra people because they are liable when it comes to content being posted on their services. For example they need extra lawyers and content moderators to handle all the stuff that is publicly posted on Facebook. This is something Signal just doesn't have to deal with.

This is all just speculation though, I don't have any numbers that indicate which is true.

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5. Jambal+pS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-23 01:53:02
>>gamblo+ji
Users:employees obviously do not scale like that. You need a certain amount of employees just to make a chat app with zero users.
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6. gamblo+Gf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-23 05:26:17
>>why_at+mm
Pre-acquisition WhatsApp handled 450 million users with 35 engineers paid at Asian tech salaries, or roughly USD$ 30-50k. So WhatsApp's entire engineering salary cost is equal to what Signals pays just 3 of its engineers for 9x the userbase. WhatsApp had roughly 257 users per engineering dollar spent, while Signal has at best 20 users per engineering dollar (but that number is lower because I'm only accounting for the "highly compensated" engineers and not Signal's full engineering staff).

Instagram had 13 employees with 31 million users when it was acquired by Facebook.

I don't know what the post-layoff employee account is for Meta Messenger as they did not disclose it in their SEC filings, but pre-layoffs it was several hundred.

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