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1. intend+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:02:57
From a business sense, Satya was excellent.

He made the right calls, fast, with limited information.

Things further shifted from plan a to b to… whatever this is.

Despite that, MSFT still came out on top.

Consider if Satya didn’t say anything. Suppose MSFT stood back and let things play out.

That’s a gap for google or some competitor to make a move. To showcase their stability and long term business friendly vision.

Instead by moving fast, doing the “right” thing, this opportunity was denied and used to MSFTs benefit.

If the board folded, it would return to the stays quo. If the board held, MSFT would have secured OpenAI, for essentially nothing.

Edit: changed board folded x2 to board folded + board held, last para.

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2. huyter+M1[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:14:48
>>intend+(OP)
Satya may honestly be the CEO of the decade for what he has done with Microsoft and now this.
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3. campbe+A3[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:27:25
>>intend+(OP)
The only mistake (a big one) was publicly offering to match comp for all the OpenAI employees. Can't sit well with folks @ MS already. This was something they could have easily done privately to give petition signers confidence.
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4. asd88+do[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 10:13:16
>>campbe+A3
Nah, Microsoft employees being second class citizens compared to acquisitions is nothing new. e.g. compare Microsoft comp with LinkedIn/GitHub comp.
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5. alentr+oG[view] [source] 2023-11-22 12:47:04
>>intend+(OP)
Yep, outplayed like in chess. Started with a handicap, led the game to the stalemate, won the match.
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6. chatma+rM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 13:27:48
>>huyter+M1
Meanwhile Sundar might be the worst. Where was he this weekend? Where was he the past three years while his company got beat to market on products built from its own research? He's asleep at the wheel. I'm surprised every day he remains CEO.
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7. zug_zu+9Z[view] [source] 2023-11-22 14:27:41
>>intend+(OP)
I am not sure why people keep pushing this narrative. It's not obviously false, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence of it.

From where I sit Satya possibly messed up big. He clearly wanted Sam and the Open AI team to join microsoft and they won't now, likely ever.

By offering a standing offer to join MS publicly he gave Sam and OpenAI employees huge leverage to force the board's hand. If he had waited then maybe there would have been an actual fallout that would have lead to people actually joining microsoft.

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8. jnwats+S21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 14:43:18
>>zug_zu+9Z
Satya's main mistake was not having a spot on the board. Everything after that was in defense of the initial investment, and he played all the right moves.

While having OpenAI as a Microsoft DeepMind would have been an ok second-best solution, the status quo is still better for Microsoft. There would have been a bunch of legal issues and it would be a hit on Microsoft's bottom line.

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9. garden+P61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 14:58:58
>>huyter+M1
Satya invested 10b into a company with terrible, incompetent governance and not getting his company any seat of influence on the board. That doesn't seem great.
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10. kridsd+Ic1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 15:23:54
>>chatma+rM
So is everyone else at Google.
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11. intend+Zj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 15:56:50
>>zug_zu+9Z
Its very easy to min max a situation if you are not on the other side.

Additionally - I have not seen someone else talk about this, its just been a few days. Calling it a narrative is a stretch, and dismissive by implying manipulation.

Finally why would Sam joining MSFT be better than this current situation?

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12. aspero+Yn2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 20:58:34
>>zug_zu+9Z
I don't think that's quite right, Microsoft's main game was keeping the money train going by any means necessary, they have staked so much on copilots and Enterprise/Azure Open AI. So much has been invested into that strategic direction and seeing Google swoop in and out-innovate Microsoft would be a huge loss.

Either by keeping OpenAI as-is, or the alternative being moving everyone to Microsoft in an attempt to keep things going would work for Satya.

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13. semiqu+em3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-23 03:07:32
>>asd88+do
LinkedIn has a rep for higher-than-MSFT comp. GitHub for lower.
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