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1. rvz+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-20 14:14:20
So essentially, OpenAI is a sinking ship as long as the board members go ahead with their new CEO and Sam, Greg are not returning.

Microsoft can absorb all the employees and switch them into the new AI subsidiary which basically is an acqui-hire without buying out everyone else's shares and making a new DeepMind / OpenAI research division inside of the company.

So all along it was a long winded side-step into having a new AI division without all the regulatory headaches of a formal acquisition.

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2. JumpCr+M[view] [source] 2023-11-20 14:16:43
>>rvz+(OP)
> OpenAI is a sinking ship as long as the board members go ahead with their new CEO and Sam, Greg are not returning

Far from certain. One, they still control a lot of money and cloud credits. Two, they can credibly threaten to license to a competitor or even open source everything, thereby destroying the unique value of the work.

> without all the regulatory headaches of a formal acquisition

This, too, is far from certain.

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3. jacque+38[view] [source] 2023-11-20 14:41:56
>>rvz+(OP)
And sue for the assets of OpenAI on account of the damage the board did to their stock... and end up with all of the IP.
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4. s1arti+ya[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 14:53:59
>>JumpCr+M
>Far from certain. One, they still control a lot of money and cloud credits.

This too is far from certain. The funding and credits was at best tied to milestones, and at worst, the investment contract is already broken and msft can walk.

I suspect they would not actually do the latter and the ip is tied to continual partnership.

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5. lotsof+od[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 15:09:15
>>jacque+38
On what basis would one entity be held responsible for another entity’s stock price, without evidence of fraud? Especially a non profit.
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6. vaxman+Th[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 15:41:20
>>lotsof+od
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7. jlokie+bj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 15:49:13
>>lotsof+od
The value of OpenAI's own assets in the for-profit subsidiary, may drop in value due to recent events.

Microsoft is a substantial shareholder (49%) in that for-profit subsidiary, so the value of Microsoft's asset has presumably reduced due to OpenAI's board decisions.

OpenAI's board decisions which resulted in these events appear to have been improperly conducted: Two of the board's members weren't aware of its deliberations, or the outcome until the last minute, notably the chair of the board. A board's decisions have legal weight because they are collective. It's allowed to patch them up after if the board agrees, for people to take breaks, etc. But if some directors intentionally excluded other directors from such a major decision (and formal deliberations), affecting the value and future of the company, that leaves the board's decision open to legal challenges.

Hypothetically Microsoft could sue and offer to settle. Then OpenAI might not have enough funds if it would lose, so might have sell shares in the for-profit subsidiary, or transfer them. Microsoft only needs about 2% more to become majority shareholder of the for-profit subsidiary, which runs ChatGPT sevices.

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