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Ilya signed it??? He's on the board... This whole thing is such an implosion of ambition.

>>wxw+(OP)
Yeah, what the hell?

Do we know why Murati was replaced?

>>JumpCr+u
I heard it was because she tried to hire Sam and Greg back.

>>wxw+(OP)
I think the names listed are the recipients of the letter (the board), not the signers.

>>JumpCr+u
Apparently she tried to rehire Sam and Greg.

I don't think she actually had anything to do with the coup, she was only slightly less blindsided than everyone else.

>>sebzim+c1
To be fair, that is a stupid first move to make as the CEO who was just hired to replace the person deposed by the board. (Though I’m still confused about Ilya’s position.)

>>simonw+21
So who's against it and why ?

I wonder if it will take 20 years to learn the whole story.

>>kranke+T2
The amount that's leaked out already - over a weekend - makes me think we'll know the full details of everything within a few days.

>>wxw+(OP)
he even posted a apology: https://x.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028?s=20

what the actual fuck =O

>>fallen+x3
They did not expect Microsoft to take everything and walk away, and did not realize how little pull they actually had.

If you made a comment recently about de jure vs de facto power, step forward and collect your prize.

>>fallen+x3
The great drama of our time (this week)

>>fallen+x3
Wow, lots of drama and plot twists for the writers of the Netflix mini-series.

>>wxw+(OP)
I was looking down the list and then saw Ilya. Just when you think this whole ordeal can't get any more insane.

>>JumpCr+y1
If you know the company will implode and you'll be CEO of a shell, it is better to get board to reverse the course. It isn't like she was part of decision making process

>>fallen+x3
I'm going to take a leap of intuition and say all roads lead back Adam d'Angelo for the coup attempt.

>>sebzim+c1
But wouldn’t the coup have required 4 votes out of 6 which means she voted yes? If not then the coup was executed by just 3 board members? I’m confused.

>>fallen+x3
I knew it was Joseph Gordon-Levitt's plot all along!

>>maxlam+6b
Murati is/was not a board member.

>>toomuc+I3
>>38331457

>>fallen+x3
Naive is too soft a word. How can you be so smart and so out of touch at the same time?

>>JumpCr+y1
If your job as a CEO is to keep the company running it seems like the only way to do that was hire them back because look at the company now it's essentially dead unless the board resigns and with how stupid the board is they might not lol.

So her move wasn't stupid at all. She obviously knew people working there respected the leadership of the company.

If 550 people leave OpenAI you might as well just shut it down and sell the IP to Microsoft.

>>wxw+(OP)
Most people who sympathized with the Board prior to this would have assumed that the presumed culprit, the legendary Ilya, has thought through everything and is ready to sacrifice anything for a course he champions. It appears that is not the case.

>>fallen+x3
I don't think I have seen a bigger U-turn

>>wxw+(OP)
The dude is a quack.

>>maxlam+6b
Generally speaking, 4 members is the minimum quorum for a board of 6, and 3 out of 4 is a majority decision.

I don't know if it was 3 or 4 in the end, but it may very well have been possible with just 3.

>>jacque+Ud
in my experience these things will typically go hand in hand. There is also an argument to be made that being smart at building ML models and being smart in literally anything else have nothing to do with each other.

>>jacque+Ud
IQ and EQ are different things. Some people are very technically smart to know a trillion side effects of technical systems. But can be really bad/binary/shallow at knowing side order effects of human dynamics.

Ilya's role is a Chief Scientist. It may be fair to give at least some benefit of doubt. He was vocal/direct/binary, and also vocally apologized and worked back. In human dynamics – I'd usually look for the silent orchestrator behind the scenes that nobody talks about.

>>maxlam+6b
Mira isn't on the board, so she didn't have a vote in this.

>>impuls+je
It's a lot easier to sign a petition than actually walk away from a presumably well-paying job in a somewhat weak tech job market. People assuming everyone can just traipse into a $1m/year role at Microsoft is smoking some really good stuff.

>>toomuc+I3
>>38338096

What do I win? Hahaha.

>>code_r+1g
Usually this is due to autism, please be kind.

>>victor+ne
I think he orchestrated the coup on principle, but severely underestimated the backlash and power that other people had collectively.

Now he’s trying to save his own skin. Sam will probably take him back on his own technical merits but definitely not in any position of power anymore

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die

Just because you are a genius in one domain does not mean you are in another

What’s funny is that everyone initially “accepted” the firing. But no one liked it. Then a few people (like greg) started voting with their feet which empowered others which has cumulated into this tidal shift.

It will make a fascinating case study some day on how not to fire your CEO

>>JumpCr+y1
With nearly the entire team of engineers threatening to leave the company over the coup, was it a stupid move?

The board is going to be overseeing a company of 10 people as things are going.

>>fallen+x3
You come at the king, you best not miss. If you do, make sure to apologize on Twitter while you can.

>>Furiou+y9
> all roads lead back Adam d'Angelo

Maybe someone thinks Sam was “not consistently candid” about mentioning one of the feature bullets in latest release was dropping d'Angelo's Poe directly into the ChatGPT app for no additional charge.

Given dev day timing and the update releasing these "GPTs" this is an entirely plausible timeline.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/10/poes-ai-chatbot-app-now-le...

>>ghaff+Bi
> can just traipse into a $1m/year role at Microsoft

Do you not trust Microsoft's public statement that jobs are waiting for anyone that decides to leave OpenAI? Considering their two decade adventure with Xbox and their $72bln in profits last year, on top of a $144bln in cash reserves, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is able (and willing) to match most comp packages considering what's at stake. Maybe not everyone, but most.

>>rdsubh+kg
I'm fine with all that in principle but then you shouldn't be throwing your weight around in board meetings, probably you shouldn't be on the board to begin with because it is a handicap in trying to evaluate the potential outcome of the decisions the board has to make.

>>Boston+a1
There’s only 4 people on the board.

>>tbalsa+rl
Not claiming to know anything about any persons differences or commenting about that in any way.

>>ghaff+Bi
Well it is "somewhat weak tech job market" for your average Joe. I think for most of those guys finding a 0,5kk/year job wouldn't be such a problem especially that the AI hype has not yet died down.

Actually for MS this might be much better cause they would get direct control over them without the hassle of talking to some "board" that is not aligned with their interests.

>>EVa5I7+1c
I don't know if you are joking or not, but one of the board members is Joseph Gordon-Levitt Wife.

>>tomnip+Cs
I think the specifics on an individual level once the smoke clears matter a lot.

>>miyuru+WY
(yes that was the joke)

>>jacque+Ud
Specialized learning and focus often comes at the cost of generalized learning and focus. It's not zero sum, but there is competition between interests in any person's mind.

>>rdsubh+kg
I don't think this is necessarily about different categories of intelligence... Politicking and socializing are skills that require time and mental energy to build, and can even atrophy. If you spend all your time worrying about technical things, you won't have as much time to build or maintain those skills. It seems to me like IQ and EQ are more fundamental and immutable than that, but maybe I'm making a distinction where there isn't much of one.