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1. Booris+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:41:02
Not enough people understand what OpenAI was actually built on.

OpenAI would not exist if FAANG had been capable of getting out of it's own way and shipping things. The moment OpenAI starts acting like the companies these people left, it's a no brainer that they'll start looking for the door.

I'm sure Ilya has 10 lifetimes more knowledge than me locked away in his mind on topics I don't even know exist... but the last 72 hours are the most brain dead actions I've ever seen out of the leadership of a company.

This isn't even cutting your own nose of to spite the face: this is like slashing your own tires to avoid going in the wrong direction.

The only possible justification would have been some jailable offense from Sam Altman, and ironically their initial release almost seemed to want to hint that before they were forced to explicitly state that wasn't the case. At the point where you're forced to admit you surprise fired your CEO for relatively benign reasons how much must have gone completely sideways to land you in that position?

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2. jonbel+Q1[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:52:59
>>Booris+(OP)
It’s possible be extremely smart in one narrow way and a complete idiot when it comes to understanding leadership, people, politics, etc.

For example, Elon Musk was smart enough to do some things … then he crashed and burned with Twitter because it’s about people and politics. He could not have done a worse job, despite being “smart.”

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3. xvecto+w2[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:57:15
>>Booris+(OP)
I really hope this comes back around and bites Ilya and OAI in the ass. What an absurd decision. They will rightfully get absolutely crushed by the free market.
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4. Booris+gd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 08:43:09
>>xvecto+w2
Looks like you got your wish earlier than anyone would have expected: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
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5. mschus+nm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 09:34:21
>>jonbel+Q1
> For example, Elon Musk was smart enough to do some things … then he crashed and burned with Twitter because it’s about people and politics. He could not have done a worse job, despite being “smart.”

That is, if you do not subscribe to one of the various theories that him sinking Twitter was intentional. The most popular ones I've come across are "Musk wants revenge for Twitter turning his daughter trans", "Saudi-Arabia wants to get rid of Twitter as a trusted-ish network/platform to prevent another Arab Spring" and "Musk wants to cozy up to a potential next Republican presidency".

Personally, I think all three have merits - because otherwise, why didn't the Saudis and other financiers go and pull an Altman on Musk? It's not Musk's personal money he's burning on Twitter, it's to a large degrees other people's money.

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6. dragon+W51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 14:04:42
>>mschus+nm
> Personally, I think all three have merits - because otherwise, why didn't the Saudis and other financiers go and pull an Altman on Musk? It's not Musk's personal money he's burning on Twitter, it's to a large degrees other people's money.

Of the $46 Billion Twitter deal ($44 equity + $2 debt buyout), it was:

* $13 Billion Loans (bank funded)

* $33 Billion Equity -- of this, ~$9 Billion was estimated to be investors (including Musk, Saudis, Larry Ellison, etc. etc.)

So its about 30% other investors and 70% Elon Musk money.

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