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I’m genuinely surprised that they stuck to their guns. The PR push behind Altman’s return was convincing enough that I had my doubts.

Altman will be more than fine, he’ll get a bucket of money and the chance to prove he is the golden boy he’s been sold to the world. He will get to recruit a team that believes in his vision of accelerating AI for commercial use. This will lead to a more diverse market.

I hope for the best for those who remain at OpenAI. I hope for the best for Altman and Brockman.

>>zoogen+(OP)
The whole situation should make it clear that SV media is beholden to VCs and will print anything they tell them to.

Bloomberg, the verge and the information all went to bat for Altman in a big way on this.

>>tempus+M5
You could say the same thing if they were rooting for the board instead..

>>tempus+M5
Yes, I felt the same. In every piece, there was very little news but a lot of fluff to lead the public with opinions. Probably VCs saw their money burning and wanted Sam back at the helm to protect their asset.

>>tempus+M5
Kara Swisher was basically working as Altman’s press secretary

>>zapthe+d6
It’s not the job of the media to root for anyone. The media should dispassionately report the truth. In this case they did not do so.

>>browse+u6
I don't get the vibe that Swisher particularly likes techbros or billionaires, let alone bat for them.

>>zoogen+(OP)
Same

If OpenAI ceases to be Sam’s vision someone will replace it.

It is a good thing for the ecosystem I guess, we will have more diverse products to choose.

But making AI more safe? Not likely. The tech will spread and Ilya will probably not a safer AGI, because he will not control it

>>ignora+h7
Have you read her recent Tweets on the matter? She was definitely editorializing quite subjectively in favor of Altman. That's not exactly unbiased journalism happening.

>>ignora+h7
She's an access journalist. She'll shill for the biggest voice who'll talk to her.

>>tempus+Y6
In most cases they do not. We haven’t had unfiltered media for a very long time now. Your voice is blocked from a large audience by many many barriers if you mention any forbidden keywords together.

>>bmitc+V7
I read her Threads post and do not see the same advocacy you claim here. Just valuable information.

>>tempus+M5
My favorite was that part from Financial Times:

"Investors were hoping that Altman would return to a company “which has been his life's work”"

As opposed to Sutskever, who they found on the street somehow, yeah?

>>WendyT+1a
Well I wasn't referring to her Threads posts. I was referring to her recent Tweets.

>>tempus+M5
I'm also pretty suspicious of people in forums like these who say nothing can compare to GPT4 and they're miles ahead of everyone else etc. How much of that is venture capital speaking?

It's not quite where it is (or was) with Tesla, where it was hopeless to know what was sincere and what was just people talking up their investment/talking down their short, but it's getting there.

>>zoogen+(OP)
I read something a while ago: when trying to interpret the truth of what is happening, the value of public statements is only that it's an indication of what that source would like the public to believe. And when looked at that way, that signal does have value. Not as truth, but as motive.

So that helped cut through all the cruft with this. There was a lot of effort behind putting across the perception that the board was going to resign and that Altman was going to come back.

Looked at through that lens, it makes more sense: the existing board had little incentive to quit and rehire Sam/Greg. The only incentive was if mass resignations threatened their priorities of working on safety and alignment, and I get the sense that most of these resignations are more on the product engineering side.

So I don't really think this is a twist that no one saw coming.

>>_facto+n9
> We haven’t had unfiltered media for a very long time now.

When did we have it?

>>vinter+qb
There are concrete benchmarks like “how good is it at answering multiple choice questions accurately or “how good is it at producing valid code to solve a particular coding problem”.

There’s also a chatbot Elo ranking which crowd sources model comparisons https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...

GPT-4 is the king right now

>>vinter+qb
The crypto bros switched to AI hype and are now hyping OpenAI/GPT4 hoping to pump MSFT/NVDA. In every HN conversation where someone mentions competing products, there are people talking it down and saying GPT4 is miles ahead, and in a tone to undermine the competition. I see a pattern and it is definitely not sincere.

>>vinter+qb
I mean, try and compare for yourself. It is quite obviously miles ahead of everything else.

I want OpenAI to be absolutely crushed in the free market after this move. But it will take years for anyone to catch up with GPT-4, if even Anthropic is nowhere close.

>>lajawf+ud
You clearly haven't tried GPT-4 if you think people are lying about how much better it is.

>>vinter+qb
Anyone who works with text generation will tell you that GPT-4 is far, far beyond anything anyone else has put out for general purpose text gen. The benchmarks don’t really tell you the whole picture. It’s impossible to prompt other models for anything as complex as what GPT-4 can do, both semantically and stylistically.

>>xvecto+Hf
Why do you want them to be crushed? They decided that Sam didn't represent the charter and acted accordingly. Do I think it was a boneheaded move? Sure. But maybe it was the right move for them even in spite of the optics?

>>zoogen+(OP)
I think that the pro-capitalist faction forgot that the opposing side are people capable of planing the development of an artificial consciousness.

Should they decide to sink to the level of VC scheming briefly, it will be like child's play for them.

>>ahartm+6b
I mean, both of them were involved from the beginning of OpenAI.

>>bmitc+mb
Her Threads posts are almost certainly of the same tone and substance as her Tweets.