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1. acheon+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:28:22
I’m glad people in this thread are supporting the OpenAI board in this decision. There seems to be too much celebrity worship around Altman from all the tech/crypto bros. Also, any new competition started by Altman would be good for the ecosystem in general.
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2. swax+K[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:31:49
>>acheon+(OP)
So much judgement this weekend with so little information.
3. alsodu+L[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:31:50
>>acheon+(OP)
I'd have agreed with you if it was an extensive board with many experts, both technical and policy, without any strong conflict of interests.

But at this point, we have Ilya who clearly has strong difference of opinions with Sam, Adam D'Angelo, whose company Poe has a conflict of interest with the existance of for profit OpenAI and their GPT store/customizable agents, and two other board members.

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4. peanut+01[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:33:02
>>acheon+(OP)
Yes, I'm very interested to see what Sam and Greg achieve without Ilya.
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5. eddiew+a1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:33:45
>>alsodu+L
Was Ilya not the brains of OpenAI? Seems like rest were investors
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6. vagabu+f1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:33:57
>>alsodu+L
As long as we're speculating from the outside, in a strong difference of opinions between Altman and Sutskever, I'm inclined to support Sutskever.
7. famous+i1[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:34:04
>>acheon+(OP)
I support....neither ?

I would have been extremely uneasy if Altman had the power to get back as CEO after this kind of ousting but I didn't really support ousting him like that in the first place, especially if this didn't reach a fever pitch over some much more capable model.

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8. beeyaw+l1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:34:21
>>alsodu+L
Are you for real? "Difference of opinions" isn't a problem for a board, it's exactly why multiple people are on one. And Adam will not have any conflict of interest with Poe very shortly.
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9. alsodu+T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:38:11
>>beeyaw+l1
It is a problem when you pretty much fired two board members who would've been against Ilyas opinion.

Maybe Adam will not have any conflict in a few months, but he does now. He did when he and others got rid of Greg and Sam from the board. That's my point.

10. wolver+42[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:39:30
>>acheon+(OP)
On one hand, I worry that it doesn't represent anything more than following the herd. For a long time, and not long ago, the herd followed people like Musk, Bankman-Fried, etc., and other cults of personality. I think a lot had to do with Trump - even people who say they hated him have followed his model (he was the President, after all) of behavior, business, and personal character, even non-famous people I know personally.

As best I can say regarding such a broad, poorly defined topic: Due to the brazen, distasteful, dangerous megalomania and seeing real consequences at Twitter and FTX, and others (Theranos, etc.), that brazen megalomania seems to have re-acquired the bad reputation that common sense has eternally given it, in every place and time.

Obviously, it's a ridiculous, self-destructive, dangerous idea. Whatever the cause, I'm glad people seem to be regaining their senses - but will they do it quickly and completely enough, will they be manipulated into blaming someone else (a massive risk in the post-truth world that accepts dis/misinformation), and will the megalomaniacs retain their attitudes and power, and then use it to suppress others.

11. rvz+t2[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:41:09
>>acheon+(OP)
Well the employees have their stock in OpenAI and needed their saviour back to get it realized and it looks like they are now have choice.

Follow their dear saviour into a new venture or stay on a ship with their shares that will begin to sink at markets open.

Microsoft maybe holding a very huge bag. Probably will sue.

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12. siva7+u2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:41:11
>>beeyaw+l1
Adam solved the issue very “elegantly” and Ilya can finally continue allocating more compute for his research interests. A dream of a board as you can see by the reactions of the investors ;)
13. hliyan+L2[view] [source] 2023-11-20 05:42:35
>>acheon+(OP)
I think in the long run, the board doing (even though somewhat clumsily) what it's supposed to do, which is to ensure the Charter, will emerge as the prevailing view. Apart from that, OpenAI was becoming too dominant, and a new entrant led by Altman would be a gift thing in the long run.
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14. tatraj+y7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 06:10:44
>>hliyan+L2
And, for joy: Baidu, Alibaba, Samsung et al. have a golden chance to close the current gap. Loud cheers and high-fives from the ea/decel camp at helping hobble the U.S. leader.
15. anupam+cb[view] [source] 2023-11-20 06:35:01
>>acheon+(OP)
FWIW, the board structure is more in the spotlight, especially Adam's, since Quora's Poe chatbot uses OpenAI's APIs. And on top of that, Sam was an investor in Quora (2018).
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