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I think Sam has been given credit for being a good CEO and leader, which clearly is deserved. I've never heard him take credit for technical accomplishments. Ilya has been doing plenty of talks, podcasts, etc.--if anyone's the technical face of OpenAI, it's him. There's no lack of praise or credit given to him.

"Just speculating on how it might feel to Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to talk about what is largely Ilya’s work."

The whole point of a CEO is to do this kind of stuff. If your best engineers are going on world tours, talking to politicians, and preparing for keynotes, that's a pretty terrible use of their time. Not to mention that most of them would hate doing it.

>>danena+(OP)
I'm a developer and have used Open AI as a beta user from before their public launch and been interested in the structure and business side of AI and had never heard of Ilya until this recent blowup. I'm just one data point, but my guess is that the vast, vast majority of the public that knows anything about AI has also never heard of Ilya.

>>jjeaff+I4
Yes, you are only one data point. Check the views on Ilya's interviews on youtube. E.g. his interview on Lex (which he did years before Sam Altman) has 400k views, which demonstrated that he is a very well known entity in tech/AI space.

>>machom+1g
Lex has over 3M subs and most of his videos get way over 400k views. I think this makes the opposite point you’re trying to use it for.

Sama also went on Lex and got over 5M views. The title was: OpenAi ceo on, ChatGPT, GPT4, and the future of AI.

>>thepas+ep
Ilya's podcast was over 3 years ago and Lex's average IT podcasts had 50-100k views. Ilya got 400k. For reference, the absolute legend Jim Keller got 600k at the same time.

So yeah, Ilya is a very known entity. No, ordinary folks don't need to know him, but if you are in IT and especially if you have anything to do with AI, then not knowing about Ilya tells more about your informational bubble than about Ilya's alleged lack of recognition.

It is akin to claiming to be into crypto on development side and not knowing the name of Vitalik Buterin.

>>jjeaff+I4
Obviously Ilya will not be as famous as Sam since Sam is doing world tours and talking to who's who of world politics. But Ilya, Karpathy, gdb all are well respected and know in dev circles.

Even the recent OpenAI profile in one of prominent publications covered Mira, Ilya and gdb in addition to Sam.

But the fundamental question is why would a researcher expect (if they do) that they will be as well known as the CEO who is the face of organisation?