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1. ioulau+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:27:47
Given that nothing criminal happened, canning Sam with no chance for discussion was just overkill.

It's probably more of an intellectual / philosophical position, given that they just did not think through the real impact on the business (and thus the mission itself)

I'm inclined to assume that something stupid was done. It happens. They should resolve it, fix the rules for how the board can behave, and move on.

Despite the bungling, Ilya is probably still a good voice to have on the board. His key responsibility (super-alignment), is a key part of OpenAI's mission.

replies(3): >>cmdli+91 >>jart+F6 >>belter+89
2. cmdli+91[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:32:52
>>ioulau+(OP)
While we don’t know the whole story, I don’t think Sam is innocent in this matter. It seems likely that this was a recurring disagreement, and perhaps this was simply a step too far where the board had to act. When you fire somebody, typically you don’t give them a heads up.
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3. jart+F6[view] [source] 2023-11-19 23:01:23
>>ioulau+(OP)
Is this the kind of alignment we can expect from superintelligence? Gossiping, surprise trials, and purges?
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4. frabcu+I8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:12:35
>>jart+F6
Worse. Which is exactly why superintelligence is scary - it'll make the humans around it go wild for power, and then it will be impossible (by definition) to predict.
replies(1): >>TeMPOr+xb
5. belter+89[view] [source] 2023-11-19 23:15:21
>>ioulau+(OP)
Sounds clear what he was not candid about to the Board: The promises to Microsoft...
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6. TeMPOr+xb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:30:48
>>frabcu+I8
Huh. I imagined many scenarios, including the more obvious and dangerous one, "AI manipulating people unaware of its existence" - but I never considered a scenario in which the AI makes its existence widely known, and perhaps presents itself as more dangerous than it is, and then it just starts slightly nudging all the people racing to take control over it.
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7. Aeolun+4o[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 00:44:32
>>cmdli+91
You don’t typically do it this quickly either.
replies(2): >>tempes+1R >>rblatz+4T
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8. hotnfr+6C[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 02:27:03
>>TeMPOr+xb
Both are too complicated. All a true AI has to do to get control of everything is promise 10% annual returns and guaranteed victory in battle. Limited-time offer, sign up today.

Done.

Any actual AI takeover will be boring and largely voluntary. For certain definitions of voluntary.

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9. jacque+IO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 04:20:12
>>hotnfr+6C
That's the playbook of any dictator. Hitch your horse to my wagon and we'll go places. But stray from the wagon and I'll have you shot by someone who is loyal to me. And it works. Without their henchmen little creeps wouldn't get out of the gate because they are invariably complete cowards.
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10. tempes+1R[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 04:45:31
>>Aeolun+4o
What do you mean? Typically (always?) the firing itself is instantaneous. We have no idea how long the issues that led to the firing went on.

The communication was certainly very poor, and we don't know if the reasons were good, but I don't understand the speed complaint.

replies(1): >>Aeolun+TR1
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11. rblatz+4T[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 05:02:06
>>Aeolun+4o
If you do it properly, from the outside it seems sudden.
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12. Aeolun+TR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 11:04:12
>>tempes+1R
If it’s not a sudden thing, the person being fired generally writes a ‘no bad feelings’ instead of a ‘WTF’ message.
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