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1. layer8+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 21:29:28
I think he’s lucky that apparently many OpenAI employees support him, as otherwise there would be less leverage over the board. Investors can threaten the board, but where would they go if the brainpower stays with OpenAI?
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2. alecco+f7[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:01:48
>>layer8+(OP)
> I think he’s lucky that apparently many OpenAI employees support him

This claim on the press had zero substance. It could well be, but there were no wide resignations or anything. Just 4 execs.

OTOH, Altman going for the high score could bump employee TCO 10x. So who knows. Passion vs greed.

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3. nothro+h7[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:01:57
>>layer8+(OP)
It's not luck
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4. Dudest+0a[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:15:11
>>alecco+f7
> Passion vs greed.

In a city where a normal person cannot buy a house and employer wants 25% office time? Give me a break, they just want to live like people could in 1950s.

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5. medler+Kb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:23:54
>>alecco+f7
I’m old enough to remember when all the employees who supported him were going to resign at 5 pm Saturday
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6. manner+5d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:30:14
>>alecco+f7
> Passion vs greed.

What's there to be passionate about in a doomed business? Where is OpenAI going to get compute from? What work are they going to get done if everybody else follows Altman?

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7. Davidz+Xd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:34:31
>>manner+5d
You can also have principles which would rather do no work than harmful work
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8. Davidz+9e[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:35:45
>>medler+Kb
I think the hearts on Twitter was supposed to be a show of power on Sam's side. I wouldn't be surprised if that number is >20% of employees
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9. ren_en+If[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:43:25
>>layer8+(OP)
they've been on a hiring spree, so majority of employees probably joined within the last 1-2 years and more about making sure they get their equity(or profit units) get cashed out than the original mission of OpenAI. I doubt all the enterprise sales reps they've brought in care about AI alignment or making sure the profit from AGI helps humanity
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10. manner+di[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:56:38
>>Davidz+Xd
I would not call sitting at a cubicle and collecting a paycheck while doing no work 'passion'. And probably not even collecting the paycheck.
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11. lucubr+4k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:07:08
>>Davidz+9e
That number is 91 employees out OAI's 700. Seems like a pretty reasonable number of people to support Sam's faction, but absolutely recoverable for OAI even if every single heart leaves.
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12. timeon+Es[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:59:41
>>manner+di
But you are just painting one extreme vision here.
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13. jacque+h31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 04:42:38
>>lucubr+4k
91 declared out of 700. Which is actually surprisingly high and which, given that these people are actively speaking out against their employer indicates that that faction is probably a lot larger than those 91, but those may have good reasons to play it safe for now rather than to risk backing the losing side.
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14. lucubr+tN4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 23:52:16
>>jacque+h31
You were right, it's much higher, nearly every employee now. I don't see a viable path forward for the Board at this point.
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15. jacque+hj7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-21 17:02:13
>>lucubr+tN4
Props to you. No, but mysteriously they are somehow still clinging to their seats. It makes you wonder what the hell is going on, and not a peep from the 'new CEO' either besides his initial vapid tweet.
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