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Also its likely that a large number of the news stories coming out right now are PR "plants" by one side or the other to make the firing seem justified or the return a fait accompli. In a coup one of the first tasks is to get public opinion on your side and build momentum for the outcome you want to see.

I'm curious where the rank & file OpenAI employees stand on this, as it seems to me like they will be the ultimate kingmakers. The Reddit thread on Friday made it seem like they supported Ilya - but for all we know, the anonymous Reddit poster might have been Ilya himself.

>>nostra+(OP)
The board lost this whole gambit from the initial press release and never recovered.

>>nostra+(OP)
It indeed did seem like something Ilya would post himself, or at least someone cosplaying as him. Based on what we’ve seen on Twitter from employees it looks like a significant chunk supports Sam.

>>skwirl+P1
They're dreaming of being the next version of early googlers, i guess that is inevitable once people start doing math equations that include eleven digit numbers in them

>>dontup+A2
OpenAI's been offering $800K+ compensation for mid-level AI engineers, roughly double what Google offers them, so yeah I suspect a large portion of the recent staff is probably late-stage Googlers who have dreams of being like early Googlers.

>>nostra+(OP)
I've only seen support for Altman from the press. (guess who spends ads on the press and has more political connections)

The board was naive, to say the least.

>>alecco+ja
Well, he is basically the face of OpenAI and ChatGPT and the whole AI push. And at the same time he is not unlikable either.

>>dontup+A2
All this talk of talent, they just end up with a company full of people driven only by monetary pursuits. How could it ever have worked with the non profit mission

>>Davidz+Yf
This is anything involving Effective Altruists. It is a facade of respectability to justify chasing money at all costs.

>>chucke+7f
Which is unusual since it's been around since 1956:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intellig...

"The field of AI research was founded at a workshop held on the campus of Dartmouth College, USA during the summer of 1956."

>>alecco+ja
The Bloomberg article about Altman seeking funding for a conflicting venture seems like a plant by the other side:

https://archive.is/3LaJF

>>nostra+7o
That also sounds like a plant from Altman's side.

This is the most important quote: "We can say definitively that the board’s decision was not made in response to malfeasance or anything related to our financial, business, safety, or security/privacy practices. This was a breakdown in communication between Sam and the board."

If it were a plant by the other camp how would this make it there? Also the whole article sounds like "You don't want him as a CEO? He is going to get sooo much money, and going to out compete you sooo hard. He is already in talks for his new venture." Which is obviously what Sam's side would like to project.