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1. tg180+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 09:39:05
In my opinion...

If you want to be the titan of an industry and do things that put you at the center of media attention, you have to expect comments of this kind and not be surprised when they happen. Whether you are a man, a woman or anybody else.

If you don't expect "not very nice" or ambivalent reactions from people, you are an amateur and you shouldn't be in the board of such a prominent company.

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2. upward+T[view] [source] 2023-11-19 09:46:52
>>tg180+(OP)
True. I just think it’s messed up that she is equally qualified for this specific board (given the unusual fiduciary duty definition defined in the OpenAI charter I linked above) as e.g. Adam D’Angelo, and I don’t see a bunch of creepy people [note: I edited this part because fsckboy made a good point] hating on him despite him also being part of this same exact power struggle. What does founding Quora have to do with developing safe, beneficial AGI? If anything, Adam seems like more of a token board member than Helen, in that Adam is “token rich dude from early days at Google or Facebook”.
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3. tg180+c5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 10:25:29
>>upward+T
Being at the forefront of the development of new technologies means that you are sailing uncharted territory. It's my belief that in cases like this, previous qualifications are almost irrelevant.

Of course you have to be competent on the subject matter, work hard, iterate and have luck.

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4. fsckbo+U5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 10:33:33
>>upward+T
>...creepy white dudes

annnnd you just shredded your credibility with some casual bigotry

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5. lovich+m6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 10:37:12
>>upward+T
He does seem token in that regard but it was a known quality of tokenism. Being a founder of Quora and a CTO at Facebook has enough cache to explain being on the board of directors for another tech company. I took Tasha and Helen being grouped together happening not due to being women but due to being relatively unknown
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6. upward+T7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 10:51:59
>>fsckbo+U5
You’re right. I’m sorry for that blunder and I edited my comment to correct it.
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7. jacque+qj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 12:40:15
>>upward+T
> I don’t see a bunch of creepy people [note: I edited this part because fsckboy made a good point] hating on him despite him also being part of this same exact power struggle.

I'm not sure where I am on the creepy scale but I'm happy to hate on him because I really don't think he should be anywhere near that board. And yes, Helen Toner does have a claim. Not sure about the level of experience in the typical role of a board member but plenty of cred when it comes to the subject matter.

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8. optima+rj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 12:40:17
>>fsckbo+U5
Why? He was right on the money.
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9. TeMPOr+v72[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:28:26
>>optima+rj
Because despite a sudden popularity of viewing white people as sub-human or non-human, they are in fact human, and this made that remark explicitly sexist and racist.
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