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1. woeiru+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 02:48:08
There is no scenario here where Sam returns and OpenAI survives as a nonprofit. The board will be sacked.
replies(2): >>thefou+x1 >>okdood+tr
2. thefou+x1[view] [source] 2023-11-19 02:58:18
>>woeiru+(OP)
I agree. The pretense that OpenAI is still an open or a nonprofit has been a farce for a while now, it is an aggressively for-profit, trying to be the next Google company, and everybody knows it.
replies(1): >>Terrif+G5
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3. Terrif+G5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 03:27:49
>>thefou+x1
Clearly people in the non-profit part are trying to bring the organization back to its non-profit origins - after Altman effectively high jacked their agenda and corporatized the organization for his own benefit; turning its name into a meme.
replies(2): >>lordfr+ir >>shreys+KC
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4. lordfr+ir[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 06:32:39
>>Terrif+G5
It's possible that it's already too late to course correct the organization. We'll know for sure if/when Altman gets reinstated.

If he's reinstated, then that's it, AI will be used to screw us plebs for sure (fastest path to evil domination).

If he's not reinstated, then it would appear the board acted in the nick of time. For now.

5. okdood+tr[view] [source] 2023-11-19 06:33:52
>>woeiru+(OP)
> The board will be sacked.

How does sacking a board work in practice?

replies(1): >>dragon+Kr
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6. dragon+Kr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 06:38:02
>>okdood+tr
> How does sacking a board work in practice?

For a nonprofit board, the closest thing is something "the members of the board agree to resign after providing for named replacements". Individual members of the board can be sacked by a quorum of the board, but the board collectively can't be sacked.

EDIT: Correction:

Actually, nonprofits can have a variety of structures defining who the members are that are ultimately in charge. There must be a board, and there may be voting members to whom the board is accountable. The members, however, defined, generally can vote and replace boards members, and so could sack the board.

OTOH, I can't find any information about OpenAI having voting members beyond the board to whom they are accountable.

replies(1): >>jeffra+Xg1
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7. shreys+KC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 08:30:24
>>Terrif+G5
If they actually care about that part they'd instantly open source gpt4. Wouldn't matter what altman does after that point then
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8. jeffra+Xg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 14:34:18
>>dragon+Kr
MSF (Médecins sans Frontières) is in most jurisdictions an association, where the board is elected by and works for the association membership. In that case, a revolt from the associative body could fire the board.

OpenAI does not have an associative body, to my knowledge.

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