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Are you fucking kidding me?

OK. OK. I’ve said this my whole career.

Engineers are the most emotional specie of worker. There is a grand delusion that engineers are rational.

This just goes to show how irrational they are. Snap reactions like this: sign of a brilliant but fucked up engineer.

I am an engineer. I am under no illusion that I’m rational. Quite the opposite.

>>johnwh+(OP)
It wasn't engineers that did this bullshit, it was one scientist, an ethics researcher, an mba, and an art school grad.

>>johnwh+(OP)
The board had other members beside Ilya. Mostly it shows how incompetent the board was.

>>crop_r+z1
Ilya was the driver. The others are no name dopes. Total pawns who don’t count.

>>brigad+41
Yes, clearly all categories of loathsome lower castes, worthy of your disdain.

VS what, a Stanford dropout who made buds with Paul Graham? That's better and more respectable because he's cooler and connected with YC/VC hipness, right?

WorldCoin is So Awesome!

>>johnwh+a2
Even total pawns on corporate boards know better than this.

>>cmrdpo+P2
I'm responding to a post by a self hating engineer that seems to think that this specific debacle was caused by engineers. No, it was caused by non engineers. And while yes, I do have disdain for people that spends thousands to study skills that contribute nothing to their fellow man or woman, I don't think scientist or artist are those things. (Mba and ethicist definitely are mastibatory self important bullshit)

The real reason I disdain the majority of the board of openai is that there are clearly 3 people on the board that have accomplished nothing and are clear trust fund babies.

>>johnwh+a2
While you obviously seem to care more about business experience than other things, it seems odd that you would discount Adam D'Angelo even from your point of argument - The former CTO/VP of Engineering for Facebook and founding CEO of Quora isn't exactly a no-name dope.

>>johnwh+(OP)
Rationality is relative.

And I reckon that you haven't met many C-suite people.

>>brigad+Z3
I suspect the root-commenter was speaking about Ilya S, and it's a bit quibbling to classify him as "scientist" vs "engineer." He clearly crosses the line between both.

But yes, the comment was a bit unhinged.

Don't really see the difference between an MBA and whatever it is that Altman does, though, other than credentials.

Finally, that you think that ethicist (or the study of ethics) is masturbatory, especially in the context of an organization that has as its explicit mission to hoist AGI onto the world -- tells me quite a bit about your own... ethics.

World could do with a lot more ethicists and a lot less MBAs.

>>brigad+Z3
Thinking about life in such narrow group identities is a failure of imagination in my view.

>>kitsun+T4
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Nuance is a low value edge case.

>>cthalu+84
His company competes with for profit OpenAI, and it is in his best interest to fuck up OpenAI's leadership.

>>cthalu+84
Well he’s not a no name.

>>johnwh+(OP)
What was top comment yesterday becomes a farce today >>38313026

> Don’t piss off an irreplaceable engineer or they’ll fire you. not taking any sides here.

One scientist's power trip (Ilya is not an engineer) triggers the power fantasy of the extremely online.

>>hitekk+kj
It’s of Shakespearean proportions. I’m learning along with the rest how these tunings unfold!

>>cthalu+84
I mean the other two. And no offense to other no name dopes. Of course, I’m being context sensitive. In the scheme of this scenario, they’re nothing but votes up for manipulation. In regular life, they’re important in their respective fields Yada, yada