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1. keepam+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-18 12:26:00
I'm not saying LLMs are. LLMs are not the only thing going on right now. But they do enable a powerful tool.

I think the path to AGI is: embodiment. Give it a body, let it explore a world, fight to survive, learn action and consequence. Then AGI you will have.

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2. pixl97+zR[view] [source] 2023-11-18 17:37:22
>>keepam+(OP)
Note that embodiment doesn't mean in anyway human or animal like.

For example, you're limited to one body, but an A,G|S,I could have thousands of different bodies feeding back data to a processing facility, learning from billions of different sensors.

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3. SAI_Pe+aY[view] [source] 2023-11-18 18:10:38
>>keepam+(OP)
Also continuous learning. The training step is currently separate from the inference step, so new generations have to get trained instead of learning continuously. Of course continuous larningin a chatbot runs into the Microsoft Tay problem where people train it to respond offensively.
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4. MacsHe+U11[view] [source] 2023-11-18 18:26:54
>>keepam+(OP)
My embodiment is my PC environment. I interact with the world through computer displays.

There is no reason embodiment for AGI should need to be physical or mammalian-like in any way.

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5. OOPMan+Cb1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 19:21:57
>>keepam+(OP)
Nice try SkyNet
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6. keepam+s62[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:37:50
>>pixl97+zR
Well, I disagree with you on embodiment, but on the thousands? Right that’s another part: evolution. Spread your bets.

But I disagree about a human or animal body not being required.

I think we have to take the world as we see it and appreciate our own limitations in that what we think of intelligence fundamentally arises out of our evolution in this world; our embodiment and response to this world.

so I think we do need to give it a body and let it explore this world.

I don’t think the virtual bodies thing is gonna work. I don’t think letting it explore the Internet is gonna work. you have to give it a body multiple senses let it survive. That’s how you get AGI, not not virtual embodiment. Which I never meant, but thought it was obvious given the term embody minute self strongly, suggesting something that’s not virtual! Hahaha ! :)

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7. keepam+z82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:51:53
>>MacsHe+U11
Strong disagree. But it may take me a while to elucidate and enumerate the reasons.
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8. keepam+H82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:52:32
>>OOPMan+Cb1
Hahaha! :) thank you. That is such a compliment hahaha! :)
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9. keepam+ga2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 01:02:25
>>SAI_Pe+aY
Yeah, evolution multiple generations. Necessary for sure. Things have to die. Otherwise, there’s no risk. without risk, There’s no real motivation to live and without that there’s no emotion no motivation to learn and without that there’s no AGI.
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10. MacsHe+Ldc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-21 16:24:07
>>keepam+z82
I'm disabled and have had a computer in front of me since I was 2. I'm rarely not in front of a screen except to shower and sleep.

Plenty of very intelligent people are completely paralyzed. Sensations of physical embodiment is highly overrated and is surely not necessary for intelligence.

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