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1. watwut+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-18 09:02:11
> Mature, as in the opposite of ingenuous

To tell it in an exaggerated way, maturity should not imply sociopathy or completely disregard for everything.

Obviously I am referring here to Kottick situation. But, the definition where it is immature to tell the truth and mature to enable powerful bad players is wrong definition of maturity.

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2. clnq+ro[view] [source] 2023-11-18 12:18:19
>>watwut+(OP)
I respect your belief that maturity involves elevating morality above corporate sagacity. It is noble.
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3. watwut+7O[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 14:53:12
>>clnq+ro
I am not even demanding something super noble from mature people. I am fine with the idea that mature people do compromises. I do not expect managers to be saint like fighters for justice.

But, when people use "maturity" as argument for why someone must be enabler, should not do the morally or ethically right thing, then it gets irritating. Conversely, calling people "immature" because they did not acted in the most self serving but sleazy way is ridiculous.

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4. Shamel+Hd1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 17:18:49
>>clnq+ro
That comes across as pretty condescending. It's not like you have some sort of authoritative high ground about what does and doesn't constitute professionalism in the business world. It sounds to me that your version of professionalism is in line with what gets prescribed at your average mindless corporate human resources or public relations department. Which is fine, but there's zero proof that that is the correct way to do things, and it's actually naive on _your_ part to accept the status quo as is. And, as I said, incredibly condescending to assume it is somehow the "mature" point of view.
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