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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

submitted by convex+(OP) on 2023-11-18 07:04:20 | 879 points 659 comments
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Jakub Pachocki, director of research; Aleksander Madry, head of AI risk team, and Szymon Sidor.

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1. convex+h[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:06:12
>>convex+(OP)
In March, Sam Altman said that Pachocki's "overall leadership and technical vision" was essential for pre-training GPT-4.

https://twitter.com/sama/status/1635700851619819520

2. convex+L[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:11:06
>>convex+(OP)
Jakub Pachocki and Szymon Sidor have worked on mu-parametrization/tensor programs and Dota 2.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/author/J.-Pachocki/2713380?s...

As @eachro pointed out, Aleksander Madry is on leave from his MIT professorship. His publications:

https://madry.mit.edu/

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10. convex+l3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 07:35:44
>>eachro+Y2
"I am currently on leave from MIT and spending it at OpenAI."

https://madry.mit.edu/

45. Simon_+s6[view] [source] 2023-11-18 08:05:23
>>convex+(OP)
The board is like a who's who of privilege and nepotism - https://sfstandard.com/2023/11/17/openai-sam-altman-firing-b...
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54. jsemra+87[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 08:11:26
>>huyter+X3
Is Mistral really a 2 Billion business after only 6 months? https://www.ft.com/content/387eeeab-1f95-4e3b-9217-6f69aeeb5...
62. YetAno+L7[view] [source] 2023-11-18 08:16:34
>>convex+(OP)
My prediction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611&p=7#38311488

So here's my theory which might sound crazy. Sam planned to open a new AI company and taking away openAI's top talents to his company. And breaking up openAI into non profit and his for profit company.

Sam's first tweet after all this has, just hours after this article:

> will have more to say about what’s next later.

So either he knew that he was about to be fired or at least was prepared.

Also based on the wording of the press release, Sam did something that the board absolutely hated. Because most of the time even if he did something illegal it doesn't make sense to risk defamation by accusing him publically. Also based on his video of yesterday at the APEC summit, he repeated the similar lines few times:

> I am super excited. I can't imagine anything more exciting to work on.

So here if we assume he knew he was about to get fired, the conclusion is clear.

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74. convex+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 08:22:14
>>aidama+67
"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI."

https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

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89. deneas+f9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 08:30:59
>>cinnta+X2
Important detail: Only Sam was fired, Greg was removed from the board and then later quit. Source: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
147. urband+Vc[view] [source] 2023-11-18 09:02:59
>>convex+(OP)
Just seen their departure tweets (link below) What’s with this annoying trend of omitting capital letters from comms?

https://x.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559?s=20

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169. Zephyr+Ke[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 09:18:26
>>iLoveO+5e
He quit bro: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
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185. earino+ig[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 09:32:15
>>croes+uf
ChatGPT now has the ability to do web browsing to search for recent events!

https://chat.openai.com/share/c35e3fd1-d94e-477b-a331-b14384...

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206. thinki+9h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 09:39:21
>>Lacerd+4h
That's one source. There are others about, but as I wrote it's a "theory".

edits: >>38314420

I imagine when the full story comes out all these theories and speculations will be ignored and we will literally forget ever being interested in them!

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245. visarg+Xj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:05:54
>>thr897+l1
> most of the reporting so far indicates that Ilya and the board fired Sam to prioritize safety and non profit objectives

Maybe Ilya discovered something as head of AI safety research, something bad, and they had to act on it. From the outside it looks as if they are desperately trying to gain control. Maybe he got confirmation that LLMs are a little bit conscious, LOL. No, I am not making this up: https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1491554478243258368

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249. seanhu+3k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:06:48
>>aidama+67
Greg Brockman hasn't quit OpenAI. He quit the board[1].

   As a part of this transition, Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman   
   of the board and will remain in his role at the company, reporting to the CEO.  
[1] https://openai.com/blog/openai-announces-leadership-transiti...
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250. jstumm+8k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:07:28
>>seanhu+3k
https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
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254. mi_lk+lk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:09:09
>>seanhu+3k
he sure did >>38312704
256. gjvc+qk[view] [source] 2023-11-18 10:09:37
>>convex+(OP)
I've a penny that says the good ol' MSFT "embrace extend extinguish" is back in full swing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Literally people thought they were saints because of VSCode FFS.

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304. thekom+Zn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:36:11
>>aryama+zh
https://openai.com/charter

Second paragraph of the "Long-term safety" section.

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307. michpo+ko[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:39:11
>>SSLy+nk
Not according to his linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aleksander-madry-61115b233/

(it's about just one letter - a vs ą)

If that's the way he wants to be known, it's up to him.

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315. jvolkm+zp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:50:27
>>Solven+tn
Reports say Microsoft was caught completely off guard. Here's the damage control tweet Satya found it necessary to make shortly after it all went down: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1725656554878492779
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323. SSLy+fq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 10:57:51
>>michpo+ko
His MIT page on the other hand. https://madry.mit.edu/
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326. amai+Eq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:00:57
>>ahepp+sb
Microsoft Azure is famous for its insanely bad security: https://karl-voit.at/cloud/
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350. cthalu+ls[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:15:04
>>andrew+dl
https://openai.com/our-structure

Microsoft doesn't even own a majority stake in the for-profit, much less anything at all in the non-profit that ultimately controls everything.

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360. claude+Ts[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:18:33
>>calf+Hh
Recently I had to share a documentation written in Word, which I had to format in Markdown to put it on Github. I transformed my document into a text file for each chapter and then I asked chatGPT to transform each of these files into a Markdown page. And I also asked it to improve the English. Then I asked chatGPT to translate each of these files into different languages. The result is here: https://github.com/naver/tamgu/tree/master/documentations Basically, I did in a couple of hours, something that would have taken weeks of tedious work
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367. cthalu+zt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:24:24
>>andrew+Vk
What mechanism does Satya have to do anything here?

Microsoft has a minority stake in the for-profit subsidiary that is wholly controlled by the 501(c)(3). All investors (and employees) in the for-profit have to agree to the operating agreement that specifies the for-profit is not actually obligated to actually make a profit and that it is all secondary the charter the non-profit operates under.

https://openai.com/our-structure https://openai.com/charter

There is not a higher power than the board of the non-profit.

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370. 3np+Jt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:25:07
>>ksynwa+2t
> OpenAI is an AI research and deployment company. Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity.

First sentence on https://openai.com/about

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377. frabcu+6u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:27:19
>>silvio+Dc
He was fired from being Chair of the Board, but the rest of the board left him in his position as an engineer (?) in the company. Then an hour or two later he resigned as an engineer.

See: >>38312704

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381. cthalu+ou[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:29:09
>>ksynwa+2t
Yes. AGI is literally their charter.

https://openai.com/charter

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399. jawaka+dv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:36:05
>>jawaka+Tu
Thread about this >>38316682
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412. joshst+8w[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 11:42:09
>>Obscur+Xr
Actually the rule above is “non-cannon” [0]. In the official rules [1] number 1 is:

> Once you have their money, you never give it back.

There is no official rule 2 so the non-cannon one is as good as any and the unwritten rule [2]:

> When no appropriate rule applies, make one up

Means they probably would have been covered either way.

[0] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Ap...

[1] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Of...

[2] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Un...

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454. AgentM+aC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 12:24:26
>>riverd+Gf
Neither Sam nor Ilya thinks that committing to open sourcing their models is good for the safety of humanity. This conflict is not about open source at all. (https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23640180/openai-gpt-4-lau...)
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525. n2d4+7Q[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 13:53:46
>>LeafIt+CG
Yes, but not too substantial, or the shareholders have grounds to sue based on what I said above.

A similar (but even more complicated) case is currently going on over at Sculptor Capital Management, where former management is suing current management because they have chosen to go with a "worse" acquisition deal that would let current management stay on-board. This is despite shareholder approval to the "worse" deal. https://www.pionline.com/hedge-funds/ex-sculptor-executives-...

In fact, to prevent this situation is exactly why golden parachutes exist.

It's also totally unproportional compared to what Sam would've gotten if he owned equity.

545. YeGobl+h21[view] [source] 2023-11-18 15:03:19
>>convex+(OP)
>> Submitting information since paywalled links are not permitted.

They are? Here's my submission of your link.

>>38320350

Maybe @dang can put it under your name?

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555. Jensso+181[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 15:40:42
>>i8comm+hZ
If it wasn't there wouldn't be lots of lawsuits being filed about it.

https://innovationorigins.com/en/openai-and-googles-bard-acc...

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578. anonym+zj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 16:46:33
>>waihti+zj
And yet rich companies and government agencies still have computers which fill rooms. https://www.energy.gov/supercomputing-and-exascale

And those which are carried in our pockets are no longer capable of being home brewed.

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580. kevinv+6l1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 16:53:45
>>aidama+Rc
GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human

Lol try giving it any of the puzzles from here: https://momath.org/home/varsity-math/complete-varsity-math/

Don’t just accept its confident tone, read through and actually parse the logic. It totally falls apart.

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621. keepam+iI2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:33:41
>>jaybre+6Y
Haha, yeah! See my closely related but more 90s-action-moviey: >>38317887
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641. nobody+1k5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 19:33:26
>>JohnFe+NH
I just saw this. Glad to see I’m not the only one.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/21/why-apple-co-founder-steve-w...

My take: He’s the Keanu Reeves of tech (or Keanu is the Woz of the film industry). The world can use more of this.

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643. andrew+QS5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:21:32
>>andrew+dl
To all the commenters in this thread, here we are a few days later.....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-19/openai-ne...

OpenAI Negotiations to Reinstate Altman Hit Snag Over Board Role

    OpenAI’s leaders want board removed, but directors resisting
    Microsoft’s Nadella leading high-stakes talks on Altman return
Sam Altman

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A group of OpenAI executives and investors racing to get Sam Altman reinstated to his role as chief executive officer have reached an impasse over the makeup and role of the board, according to people familiar with the negotiations. The decision to restore Altman’s role as CEO could come quickly, though talks are fluid and still ongoing.

At midday Sunday, Altman and former President Greg Brockman were in the startup’s headquarters, according to people familiar with the matter.

OpenAI leaders pushing for the board to resign and to reinstate Altman include Interim CEO Mira Murati, Chief Strategy Officer Jason Kwon and Chief Operating Officer Brad Lightcap, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions. foundering_tout

Altman, who was fired Friday, is open to returning but wants to see governance changes — including the removal of existing board members, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the negotiations are private. After facing intense pressure following their decision to fire Altman Friday, the board agreed in principle to step down, but have so far refused to officially do so. The directors have been vetting candidates for new directors.

At the center of the high-stakes negotiations between the executives, investors and the board is Microsoft Corp. CEO Satya Nadella. Nadella has been leading the charge on talks between the different factions, some of the people said. Microsoft is OpenAI’s biggest investor, with $13 billion invested in the company.

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658. august+uIq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-26 04:07:09
>>calf+8E
https://nlp.seas.harvard.edu/2018/04/03/attention.html
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