Notably, Sam/Greg do not guess or insinuate why he did a coup.
Even more so now than ever, I don't think this corporate structure will survive.
Maybe it was a coup as per some reporting; maybe it wasn’t. I’m reluctant to make a decision here based on who got to the reporters first. There is some asymmetry in media savvy between Sam and the board.
"greater things are coming"
huh, do they already have a plan or is this just generic optimism?
Jealously and greed strikes once again, someone was more greedier than the rest.
Also why are all the links and sources from Twitter / X? We were told repeatedly it was dead? It seems that this drama suggests that it isn't.
I think the Reddit user is legitimate.
That said, I feel like more is to come out still. The board made serious accusations.
Now that they're so well established and intertwined with Microsoft Sam's personal network is not as important.
People who start out petty usually remain that way. There’s a lot of people in this world whose happiness depends on others doing just a little bit worse-off than them.
If I was a developer building on OpenAI’s platform today, I would begin putting my contingency plans into place.
Remember when Jack Dorsey was ousted from Twitter and replaced by Evan Williams, who was himself ousted and replaced by Dick Costolo, who was replaced when Dorsey came back? Or the drama around Yishan Wong's sudden resignation as Reddit CEO, to be replaced by Ellen Pao, to be replaced as the founder Steve Huffman came back? The Flexport drama last month where the hired CEO was replaced by the founder? The movie "The Social Network"? Going back a bit, Sandy Lerner and Leonard Bosack's ouster from Cisco, or Diane Green and Mendel Rosenblum's ouster from VMWare?
Build something successful and there will be a lot of infighting about who gets to control it.
Zuckerberg started Fb in his dorm and Steve Jobs left his mark on every inch of their flagship products. Altman was positioned to be the next "Jobs / Zuckerberg" but I can't say I know he really deserved it as much as people seem to think. Obviously open to completely changing my mind.
I seen people compare him to Oppenheimer lol.
Did he actually build anything at OpenAI or did he just manage it?
"Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities."
This really reads like Sam did something wrong and had it coming. But Greg and Sam's statement make it sound like Ilya just wanted to go another direction and got the votes. Why make Sam out to be the bad guy if there was no wrongdoing?
It's a lot more popcorn than we usually get from corporate announcements.
This just happened. We don’t have all the facts.
But I guess the amount of contingency in how all this might play out may well be the reason for the ouster.
But other than that, the details are still pretty lacking. The drama is only getting started and whatever comes next from both sides will be even more interesting.
a) Make sure it's sufficiently neutered as to not say something offensive or incongruent with certain ideologies, make certain topics off-limits
or
b) Scare lawmakers into making it impossible for anyone to catch up to OpenAI et al, so they can reap the benefits of cutting-edge AI while keeping the public placated with incremental improvements to outdated and sufficiently hobbled models
One thing we’ll know by tomorrow morning: was Swisher right when she said there’d be more top level resignations? That will tell us a certain amount about her credibility/sources.
(Also, obviously, my opinion about any of this is worth what you pay for it.)
Im not saying that real leaks dont happen, but that pre-running the news is really weak evidence the on reddit, unless the claims are incredibly specific.
I dont think there was anything they said on reddit that was very specific, and several posters in the HN thread speculating the same thing, just without claiming to be "in the room".
It is kind of like publishing multiple weather predictions, and then claiming credit for the one that is correct.
And OpenAI have been the most exciting tech company of the last 12 months.
you're missing one noteworthy name who was CEO between those two people :)
The words were a paraphrase of the suggestion by Jesus: “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.”
Bokonon’s paraphrase was this:
“Pay no attention to Caesar. Caesar doesn’t have the slightest idea what’s really going on.”
Thats the point, it doesnt matter if they do or dont.
If you read through their post history, they have a comment or sentence for almost every possible reason:
Difference in vision
forcing development to fast
Didn't listen to safety concerns
Lying about finances
Making deals without the board
Hiding financial matters.
It is like someone is rattling off the top 10 guesses for the reason from HN or predication markets.
Now if they said something like Ilya Sutskever called Sam at 1215 on hangouts to tell him, That would be a be pretty solid proof.
They could still be some kind of insider, but they never added any new information beyond what was publicly speculated, and clearly have an axe to grind.
There is something about reddit that just attracts and promotes a lot of juvenile attention seeking behavior. My default assumption is that content is fictional unless it passes a pretty high bar.
Unbelievable.
See https://www.axios.com/2023/11/18/openai-memo-altman-firing-m...