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1. morale+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-18 03:29:59
No, that's the whole point, "AI for the benefit of humanity" and whatnot turned out to be a marketing strategy (if you could call it that).
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2. lucubr+35[view] [source] 2023-11-18 04:09:44
>>morale+(OP)
That is what Ilya Sutskever and the board of the non-profit have effectively accused Sam Altman of in firing him, yes.
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3. morale+k6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 04:19:56
>>lucubr+35
???

Source?

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4. lucubr+T8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 04:38:27
>>morale+k6
Kara's reporting on motive:

https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725678074333635028?t...

Kara's reporting on who is involved: https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294?t...

Confirmation of a lot of Kara's reporting by Ilya himself: https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725717129318560075?t...

Ilya felt that Sam was taking the company too far in the direction of profit seeking, more than was necessary just to get the resources to build AGI, and every bit of selling out gives more pressure on OpenAI to produce revenue and work for profit later, and risks AGI being controlled by a small powerful group instead of everyone. After OpenAI Dev Day, evidently the board agreed with him - I suspect Dev Day is the source of the board's accusation that Sam did not share with complete candour. Ilya may also care more about AGI safety specifically than Sam does - that's currently unclear, but it would not surprise me at all based on how they have both spoken in interviews. What is completely clear is that Ilya felt Sam was straying so far from the mission of the non-profit, safe AGI that benefits all of humanity, that the board was compelled to act to preserve the non-profit's mission. Them expelling him and re-affirming their commitment to the OpenAI charter is effectively accusing him of selling out.

For context, you can read their charter here: https://openai.com/charter and mentally contrast that with the atmosphere of Sam Altman on Dev Day. Particularly this part of their charter: "Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit."

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5. morale+ca[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 04:46:52
>>lucubr+T8
I saw those tweets as well. Those are rumours at this point.

The only thing that is real is the PR from OpenAI and the "candid" line is quite ominous.

sama brought the company to where it is today, you don't kick out someone that way just because of misaligned interests.

I'm on the side that thinks that sama screwed up badly, putting OpenAI in a (big?) pickle and breaking ties with him asap is how they're trying to cover their ass.

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6. lucubr+tc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 05:02:05
>>morale+ca
They're not rumours, they are reporting from the most well-known and creditable tech journalist in the world. The whole point of journalism and her multi-decade journalistic career is that when she reports something like that, we can trust that she has verified with sources who would have actual knowledge of events that it is the case. We should always consider the possibility that her sources were wrong, but that's incredibly unlikely now that Ilya gave an all hands meeting (that I linked you) which confirmed a majority of this reporting.
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