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My biggest question is: If Sam Altman starts a new company by next month, and him and Greg Brockman know all details of how GPT4/5 works, then what what will this mean for OpenAI's dominance and lead?

>>Silver+(OP)
In other words, if SamA did it once, would $50 billion in funding enable him do it a 2nd time?

>>Silver+(OP)
Is OpenAI's current success attributed more to its excellent business and startup management, or does it stem from its superior technology and research that surpasses what others have developed?

>>Silver+(OP)
Even if sama and gdb raised $10B by early 2024, all of the GPU production capacity is already allocated years out. They'd have to buy some other company's GPUs at insane markups. And that's only on the hardware side.

>>gkanai+r1
Jensen will take Sam's calls in a heartbeat and personally ensure he has what he needs.

>>gkanai+r1
Jensen/CoreWeave/Lambda/etc will ensure sama gets what he needs.

>>Silver+(OP)
Wasn’t he more of a business guy while Ilya was the engineer? I really doubt a random VC guy is going to really know much about the specific, crucial details the engineering team knows.

>>andrew+72
Exactly. Entire city blocks will be cleared for Sam. Anything he needs. Just give him a road.

>>Silver+(OP)
I don't think that specific knowledge means that much. The landscape is changing in a crazily fast pace. 3~4 years ago, Google was way ahead in terms of LLM but has become an underdog after bleeding talents thereafter. It's even worse for that hypothetical new company. It needs at least several months to implement GPT-4 like models and by that time Sam will lose most of his advantages at that moment. And we don't know whether the new company will have enough pool of world class talents to push the technology competitive. To win the competition again, Sam would need more than just some internal knowledge about GPT-4 or whatever models.

>>icelan+73
Yeah, and then they will do what? Type the model learning data by memory? Run stolen python scripts? How exactly this hardware supposed to be used?

>>reacto+E4
Pure hero worship based on nothing. Dude got himself fired and the board accused him of lying.

>>cj+71
Or maybe he was a "manager" who took the credit

>>user43+18
What do you think Brockman did as co-founder of OpenAI, exactly?

>>oivey+93
You know, I'm sure Sam Altman is a really smart guy for real.

But to be honest the impression I've gathered is that he's largely a darling to big ycombinator names which lead him quite rapidly dick first into the position he's found himself in today, which is a self proclaimed prepper who starts new crypto coins post-dogecoin even, talking about how AI that aren't his AI should be regulated by the government, and making vague analogies about his AI being "in the sky" while he takes a formerly announced to be non-profit goal into a for-profit LLC that overtly reminds everyone at every turn how it takes no liability, do not sue.

I'm not really sure to be surprised, or entirely unsurprised.

I mean, he probably knows more code than Steve Jobs? But I suppose GPT probably knows more code than he does. Maybe he really is using the GeniePT as his guide throughout life on the side.

>>andrew+72
As will Lisa Su. This is going to be quite a ride.

>>naremu+1a
Apparently Sam's idol growing up was Steve Jobs so this checks out.

>>cj+71
Well to be considered a genius in the ranks of Steve Jobs, you need to succeed more than once. If he can't do it a second time, then he'd be known as the guy who fails upward.

>>capabl+i1
Both IMO.

The first leads to attractong world-class talent that can do the second. Until you go off the rails and the second kicks you out it seems.

>>cj+71
He's not going to get $50 billion in funding

>>naremu+1a
I’m sure he’s not a dumb guy, just disposable relative to OpenAI’s engineering team. I doubt he’s a Jobs-like, indispensable visionary, either.

>>manyos+i8
I agree however he'll have no problem finding another vehicle.

>>strike+tb
Well, to be considered a genius like Steve jobs, you eventually need to return to the company you left – or were ousted from – when it's on the precipice of defeat and then proceed to turn it around.

>>Silver+(OP)
We all know how GPT4/5 work essentially. You can easily run a GPT capable model with a few GPUs in the cloud. The secret sauce is the training data, that openAI owns.

>>Silver+(OP)
I think Sam and Greg could build something similar to what ChatGPT is today, and maybe even get close to GPT-4, but going beyond that seems like a stretch. Ilya is really the one that’s needed, and clearly he does not see eye to eye with Sam. Another world-class AI researcher at the level of Ilya would have to step in, and I’m not even sure that person exists.

>>ryanSr+co
I think Karpathy could qualify

>>Silver+(OP)
> If Sam Altman starts a new company by next month, and him and Greg Brockman know all details of how GPT4/5 works, then what what will this mean for OpenAI's dominance and lead?

Well, if two top level officers dismissed from top posts at OpenAI go and take OpenAI's confidential internal product information and use it to try and start a new, directly competing, company, it means that OpenAI's lawyers are going to be busy, and the appropriate US Attorney's office might not be too far behind.

>>icelan+A8
Things have changed a lot. Companies have locked down their data a lot in the last year. E.g. reddit, twitter

Even if things hadn't changed, OpenAI has been building their training set for years. It is not something they can just whip up overnight.

>>andrew+72
He can't. That capacity is sold. He is not going to get his company sued for a breach of contract for a personal favor.

>>MVisse+id
You don't think already starting with world-class talent (Sutskever, Karpathy, Zaremba and more being part of the founding team) lead to OpenAI being able to get more world-class talent, rather than world-class talent joining because of Altman?

>>capabl+CW
Yeah. I don't care who Altman is cause he ain't the technical leader from a researcher perspective.

Altman is a CEO golden boy techbros.