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1. SahAss+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-17 23:20:37
Would you say the same thing for Enron execs? For Bernie Madoff?

I think the business of running a scam or a fraudulent company is quite different to an actual business.

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2. sharkw+I2[view] [source] 2023-11-17 23:33:08
>>SahAss+(OP)
20 years ago? No for either.

Now? Yes for Kenneth Lay (assuming he was still alive and/or not hiding on a desert island under a new identity if I put on my tin foil hat)... Madoff, probably not.

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3. hilux+b4[view] [source] 2023-11-17 23:39:30
>>SahAss+(OP)
Look at the comment two levels above about Adam Neumann.
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4. SahAss+T5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:47:55
>>hilux+b4
Adam Neumann is not a good example. While he has proven good at raising money he has not been proven at running a business or even finding successful ones. My comment was exactly about that difference.
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5. SahAss+g7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:55:11
>>sharkw+I2
Why a yes for Kenneth Lay? Do you think the experience of running a scam is transferable to a real business? Or do you not consider enron a scam? Or do you think the line between scams and businesses is so blurred that the skill doing them is the same?
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6. hilux+t8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 00:01:56
>>SahAss+T5
I completely agree with your assessment of Adam Neumann.

AND ... post the WeWork debacle, Neumann has once again succeeded in raising a massive investment.

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7. manque+ia1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 07:31:09
>>sharkw+I2
I would say yes for madoff . Lots of people made a ton of money of him for decades , and losses were not as bad as originally thought.

There is bound to be a few people who have a soft spot and will give him money again .

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