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Facts are facts.

The company was dying.

OpenAI is not.

Also, it's probably you underestimating the impact of OpenAI, if anything, or the entrepreneurial career of Altman.

Also, you probably don't know that but..the Apple 1 and 2, were designed by Wozniak, not Jobs, Jobs hated them. He had no such impact nor cv you think it had in 1985 and sugarcoating it with second phase Jobs.

>>epolan+(OP)
maybe openai is in trouble too?

>>epolan+(OP)
> The company was dying. OpenAI is not.

We can still hold onto hope though.

>>epolan+(OP)
>The company was dying. OpenAI is not.

You can make the claim about Apple due to the financials being public - you can't make the same claim about OpenAI unless you have insight the rest of the public doesn't have. "facts are facts"?? what facts do you have here?

>Also, you probably don't know that but..the Apple 1 and 2, were designed by Wozniak, not Jobs, Jobs hated them

I'd be shocked if a significant portion of the hacker news audience wasn't aware of who Woz is and the basic high level history of Apple.

>>epolan+(OP)
Apple was not dying in 1985, when Sculley fired Jobs. It wasn't "near bankruptcy" until the Spindler era a decade later.

Jobs didn't hate the Apple I and Apple II. He wouldn't have partnered with Wozniak in the first place if he'd hated the Apple I.

Jobs was the guy who got Apple enough capital from VCs to actually ship the Apple II in mass quantities. That's not something Steve Jobs would do for a computer he hated.

And the Apple IIc was his idea!

>>epolan+(OP)
I think you are mixing things up. Apple was experiencing a sales slump but was far from dying in 1985. Jobs got ousted in a power struggle between him an Sculley who was CEO. In 1997, when Jobs returned, Apple was reportedly months away from bankruptcy, and only survived because of a cash infusion from Microsoft.