Subjectively, the two flavors of AI-negative sentiment I've seen most commonly on HN are (1) its potential to invade privacy, and (2) its potential to displace workers, including workers in tech.
I think that (1) was by far the most common concern up until around the ChatGPT release, at which point (2) became a major concern for many HN readers.
What happens if you divide it not by comments, but by commenters? How much is sentiment being shaped by a vocal minority who is always saying the same thing, and how much does it seem to be a broad-based sentiment among the overall audience that occasionally responds?
These are genuine questions, not critique on your statement.
In terms of actually automating any form of ”thinking” tech work, LLMs are proving increasingly terrible. I say this as someone who work in a place where GPT writes all our documentation except for some very limited parts of our code base which can’t legally be shared with it. It increasingly also replaces our code-generation tools for most ”repetitive” work and it auto-generates a lot of our data-models based on various forms of inputs. But the actual programming? It’s so horrible at it that it’s mostly used as a joke. Well, except that it’s also not used like that by people who aren’t CS educated. The thing is though, we’ve already had to replace some of the “wonderful” automation that’s being cooked up by Product Owners, BI engineers and so on. Things which work, until they need to scale.
This is obviously very anecdotal, but I’m very underwhelmed and very impressed by AI at the same time. On one hand it’s frighteningly good at writing documentation… seriously, it wrote some truly amazing documentation based on a function named something along the lines of getCompanyInfoFromCVR (CVR being the Danish digital company registry) and the documentation GPT wrote based on just that was better than what I could’ve written. But tasked with writing some fairly basic computation it fails horribly. And I mean, where are my self driving cars?
So I think it’s a bit of a mix. But honestly, I suspect that for a lot of us, LLMs will generate an abundance of work when things need to get cleaned up.
It feels like a huge dependency with a bunch of money involved.
I cannot _not_ see it clumping to a sentiment comparable to "you either AWS' or have no idea what cloud/network/cluster means".
We use these things like it’s actually "something". It’s not. We don’t build things with it. We configure other people’s software.
It’s born to be promoted as the next big enterprise stuff. You either know how to configure it or are not enterprise-worthy.
And that farts. Being dependent on someone else’s stuff has never turned out good.
Well, I mean. You can also not give a duck and squeeze out all the money. Work a job, abandon it and jump on the next train.
Feels useless, doesn’t it?
You can run small quantized models on apple silicon if you have it.
I've been using a 70B local model for things like this and it works well
> But the actual programming? It’s so horrible at it that it’s mostly used as a joke.
Please, for the sake of your future selves, hire someone who can write good documentation. (Or, better still but much harder, develop that skill yourself!) GPT documentation is the new auto-generated Javadoc comments: it looks right to someone who doesn't get what documentation is for, and it might even be a useful summary to consult (if it's kept up-to-date), but it's far less useful than the genuine article.
If GPT's better than you at writing documentation (not just faster), and you don't have some kind of language-processing disability, what are you even doing? Half of what goes into documentation is stuff that isn't obvious from the code! Even if you find writing hard, at least write bullet points or something; then, if you must, tack those on top of that (clearly marked) GPT-produced summary of the code.
Whether it's obvious from the code or not is kind of irrelevant. It gets non obvious things as well.
Honestly, I don't actually care what you do. The more documentation is poisoned by GPT-4 output, the less useful future models built by the “big data” approach will be, but the easier it'll be to spot and disregard their output as useless. If this latest “automate your documentation” fad paves the way for a teaching moment or three, it'll have served some useful purpose.
They will pivot their vision to the next toy after this too.
Every now and then, the why is useful information that sheds needed light. Most of the time however, it's just unnecessary information taking up valuable space.
Like this example.
>this widget's green is blue-ish because it's designed to match the colours in the nth-generation photocopied manual, which at some point was copied on a machine that had low magenta
I'm sorry but unless matching the manual is a company mandate, this is not necessary at all to know and is wasted space.
Knowing the "low magenta" bit is especially useless information, company mandate or not.
>nor that it's essential that the green remains blue-ish, because lime and moss are different categories added in a different part of the system.
Now this is actual useful information. But it's also Information GPT can Intuit if the code that defines these separate categories are part of the context.
Even if it's not and you need to add it yourself (assuming you are even aware yourself. Not every human writing documentation is aware of every moving part) then you've still saved a lot of valuable time by passing it through 4 first and then adding anything else.
I’d say that greatly depends on your code. I’ve had GPT write JSDoc where it explains exactly why a set or functions is calculating the German green energy tariffs the way they do. Some of what it wrote went into great detail about how the tariff is not applied if your plant goes over a specific level of production, and why we try to prevent that.
I get your fears, but I don’t appreciate your assumptions into something you clearly both don’t know anything about (our code/documentation) and something you apparently haven’t had much luck with compared to us (LLM documentation).
You’re not completely wrong of course. If you write code with bad variable names and functions that do more than they need to, then GPT is rather bad at hallucinating the meaning. But it’s not like we just blindly let it auto write our documentation without reading it.